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21 flipper in
i have to give credit for this thread where credit is due- to the poster black sheep who used this expression in an answer on another thread recently.
" black sheep.. perhaps the leaders of the wt society are not victims - they are the ones handing out the mind control to the rank & file - ( i know some differ as to whether the leaders are victims as well ) - however that is not the purpose of debate on this thread.. the rank and file jehovah's witness members are trained to have relationships based on " conditions of obedience and membership ".
notice this quote from steve hassan's " releasing the bonds - empowering people to think for themselves " on the last paragraph of his introduction .
47 AllTimeJeff in
over the years since i left jehovahs witnesses, one of the more fascinating things to observe, and really to me, the most important, is what to do after you leave.. to be sure, no one leaves because of a positive experience.
and therein lies the issues with leaving.
basically, people leave in three general ways: 1. they, like myself, resign or leave due to a disagreement.
23 wavvy in
my mother, like all the dubs, excels at dropping casual sentences here and there designed to suck me back into the borg.... her latest subtle (not) attempt to use my father's death as the drawing card was to send an sms saying only: "death is so unnatural".. of course i remember all those public talks, so i know exactly where she's coming from: we were made to live forever so no wonder death is so painful for us to deal with.. but honestly, what planet are they on????
on the planet earth death is the most natural thing ever!
80 Styxx in
i wanted to say a few things to current and former elders.
it was really a post by alltimejeff on 10/1/2009 that got me thinking about this and i address a few things that he says here.
but i dont want to single him out because i really think that he is typical of many, and he did in fact apologize for his actions at the end of his post.
1 gubberningbody in
sortof like this, only sleazier.
try leaving and see if the local goon squad doesn't come on like this..
74 maputo95 in
do you have the revelation, its grand climax at hand" book"?
it is a fascinating book backed up throughout with scriptures will open your eyes but you must read it from beginning to end.. the above is a quote from my jw friend, inactive for 30 years and thinking of sheepishly returning.
is the book cited above a scholarly and dependable commentary on revelation?.
42 besty in
this is hypothetical, but it must happen and i don't recall it being addressed before on jwn.
we are df'd about 2 years now.
our jw friends shunned us.. if one such friend now reaches out to contact us that would surely be a good thing, yes?
12 AllTimeJeff in
... start over with friends?.
i would like to suggest that we leave finding another church out of this, not because it isn't a good idea for our theistically minded friends.
for those that choose to do so, it seems like they do alright, and that seems the easiest suggestion to make.. so if thats for you, consider me taking care of that as suggestion #1.. but what if you need a break from the whole church scene?
29 homeschool in
i realize you believe the bible is the truth.
do you believe it is the only truth?
i wonder how you feel about other major religious books, like for other religions who have and never will be christian.