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Belief in the resurrection trivializes death
by jabberwock inrecently, a@g started a thread called "a belief in an afterlife is the most dangerous of all beliefs".
i have been thinking about the necessary consequences of a belief in the afterlife, particularly a belief in the resurrection as envisioned by jehovah's witnesses.
i came to some of the conclusions that a@g did and this post was originally meant to be a response on that thread, but i went off topic a bit and i didn't want to spoil the point lance was trying to make.. .
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10 Deeper Challenges To Watchtower Theology
by Spook ini have begun preparing an outline for what i think is an untapped market of opposition to the watchtwoer.
i will post part one of an outline after this explanation.
please feel free to pm with additional thoughts.. 1. most criticism of the watchtower in print has either (a) focused on very specific doctrinal issues or (b) socio-theological criticism or (c) apologetics from other christian sources.. 2. there is a pronounced lack of general philosophical arguments directed against the internal logical integrity of the jehovah's witnesses core theological beliefs.
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Advice for my DF'd friend
by wobble ini have a dear friend who has recently been df'd,which may not be relevant to the problem,but i told her she now has the time ,and the reason, to examine the religion,and i urged her to use the internet,esp.
freeminds.. her problem is her son,for years,15 or so,he has been on a downward spiral of drug abuse.although never baptised,he was brought up,until his teens,in the wt.he is now thinking that to turn his life around he will get properly involved in the religion.. his mother has said to me that she does not wish to dissuade him,as she fears for his future if he does nothing,conventional counselling,and some less conventional, has failed to help him in the past.she does not want to do an examination of wt at the present time as she feels whatever she discovers she will tell him, and he will go further off the rails ,because he believes it is the truth at the moment,and to take that away from him would leave him nowhere to go.. any helpfull words i can send to her would be appreciated.. many thanks,.
wobble.
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Change in Regular Pioneer application process
by Ultimate Reality inthis week a letter is being read that changes the process for the approval of regular pioneers.
in times past you had to fill out an application, submit it to the elder body (who would then add their comments), and it would be forwarded to "the branch" for approval.. this is being changed so that the elder body grants the approval instead of brooklyn or the local branch.
it looks like the lawyers are removing any and all direct contact between the rank-and-file and the gb.
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Is DISFELLOWSHIPPING being phased out?
by african GB Member ini have an elder friend who is 'open-minded', so to say...he tells me what gets discussed at elder meetings, even though he does'nt give too much detail.. he says that they were instructed by the society not to hurry df'ing publishers, that they should try to reproof (1 timothy 3: 16,17) a sinner,,..that they should be a little considerate bearingf in mind that we are living in critical times of the end.. .
personally i know a few publishers(baptized or not) who now have children out of wedlock, and they were just "marked" or had privileges taken away..... the reason given is: "they realised that they have sinned, and they are fully repented, they gave enough evidence to jc that they want to be known as jw's".
now my question is : are they slowly doing away with the df'ing doctrine?.
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Memorial Rejects Jesus? Maybe Not.
by cameo-d inthe primary role of the holy grail in christian mythology is the cup used by jesus to inaugurate the communion celebration during the last supper.
other stories say that the holy grail was a cup used by joseph of arimathea to catch jesus' blood when he was pierced by a spear during the crucifixion.
often, it's the same cup in both situations.
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wife asked me a good question about control mechanism of DFing.....
by oompa inwhen i told her i would never go back and meetings make me sick, i mentioned how df was a control mechanism meant to keep people in the org.......and that was when i told her i really dont want to be df'd.
i prob should have said it was used to keep people in line....actually should have never told her what i thought df was.......cause the conversation was already bad....... but she asked "why would the gb use it or view it as a "control mechanism?
" what would be their motive?...i have always been taught it is just the bibles way of keeping the cong.
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Left the WT but why the contuinued faith in an invisible God?
by donny inok, now here's a question for the other side.
when you finally discovered enough information that resulted in your leaving the watchtower bible and tract society's organization, what convinced you that you just needed to replace it with a better more believanle version instead of questioning the whole concept of an invisible god?.
is it that you find the idea of no afterlife to hard to deal with?
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If its not the way. Which way is?
by maryacclaim ini read a lot of the topics and subjects in this forum, and can't help but to ask, if the witnesses ideas are not the way, then which way is?.
i was a witness for over 25 years and have been out of the organization for over 3 years now.
yet, i have a hard time seeing anyone else's way as the right way to go.
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A question for Christians on this board.
by loosie indo most christians believe in demons?
or can you believe in gpod w/o believing in demons?.