Studying with JWs - Confused, Conflicted ...

by RebelliousSpirit 278 Replies latest members private

  • RebelliousSpirit
    RebelliousSpirit
    My friend explained that if he was to go out and give bible studies, he needed to be certain of what he was teaching and he wanted to feel confident that he would be able to answer any questions that were put to him. He felt unable to promote the views of a group about which he had niggling doubts.

    I've said the very same things 1,001 times.

    A huge problem for my friend was attempting to reconcile the group's ::apparent:: dictum 'abstain from blood' with the seemingly arbitrary 'escape clauses' published variously in the literature. He could not accept that a loving God would wish life saving medical treatment in the form of blood therapy to be denied and he felt unable to refuse such treatment for his children. He could not, therefore, teach the doctrine, which he would be required to do.

    Exactly.

    The question is ... now what? How long will they allow me to be just a "supportive/interested wife" who attends meetings but won't get baptized before they start coming down on me/us?

  • RebelliousSpirit
    RebelliousSpirit
    So do I take this as your "seeing the light"?

    Oh cj, I've always "seen the light". Why do you think I was "unsupportive" for the first 6 years of my relationship with my husband? All of the arguments proposed here are things I've screamed from the rooftops for 6 years - particularly - JWs ARE A CULT! But once I "gave it a chance" out of love for my husband, I began to think I was wrong on how I felt before (my instincts all those years). And to some degree, I still think I was wrong. But part of me is afraid I wasn't wrong at all to begin with. Does that make any sense??

    I believed one thing about the JWs for so long, then in this last year I started to believe another thing entirely, and now I am wondering which thing is the right thing to believe. I'm basically fighting against myself. And it's a real pain in the @ss!

  • happyout
    happyout

    It won't be long before you start to hear statements like "you must choose to either serve Jehovah or Satan" or "don't you want to be with your family in paradise?" No matter what they said at the beginning, now that you have started in, you can never leave without repercussions. The good thing is that since you aren't baptized, there are limits to what they can do to you. The bad news is, since your husband is, he will be pressured from now on regarding you, the children, and what he's doing as the head of the house to bring you into the fold.

    I really wish there was an easy way out, and hope that it is for you. It hasn't been for many others. Just stand your ground, and keep repeating what you told your MIL, you love God, and always will and have.

    Happyout

  • calamityjane
    calamityjane

    Yes you make sense. You are a very smart woman.

    I think somebody mentioned this earlier. Because you are studying now, they have put on the face of being such wonderful, non-dysfunctional, loving people. It's like when you start dating, your always on your best behaviour, after the marriage (baptism) that's when everything changes and the rose colour glasses come off.

    cj

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    :The question is ... now what? How long will they allow me to be just a "supportive/interested wife" who attends meetings but won't get baptized before they start coming down on me/us?

    Wow. First of all, thank you for letting me see a glimpse of this slice of JWdom. I was one for 36 years, but only since I've been out have I had an inkling of just how it is that so many "friends and spouses (especially spouses)" of JW's actually become JW's, but so very few people contacted "door-to-door" become JW's.

    Reading this thread is almost like watching an edgy movie. It's chilling. The bad guys are drawn so human, and they do have many human characteristics, lol.

    The answer to your question above is; they already are coming down on you. The question is, when they tire of that, and they will, for the most part, probably even sooner than later..... how will they (your husband and his family) treat you? How will they deal with your children.

    I feel for you. You didn't sign up for this, and while your husband was much more honest than most smarmy bastard JW's-who-join-the-military-and-shit-like-dat-yet-still-believe, he still did not give you the full picture. Nor could you have comprehended the full picture anyway. That btw, was not a slam at the military, it was a slam at people who aren't honest with themselves and hurt other people in the process.

    All I can say is, the lessons you learned in your first marriage, were not specific to that situation. This is your life, don't let anyone ruin it for you. You know that.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Also, about your conflicting views of JW's since you've given them a chance. A couple of things A) your in-laws are freakishly liberal JW's. Still, this is bigger than just you and them. B) Of course they have ALL been on their best behavior. In cult fighting language, we call it "love-bombing". It's really only natural to want to impress the new guy... I can't even blame them too much. But it does obscure the seemy underbelly that all of us who've lived it have experienced to some degree or another.

  • RebelliousSpirit
    RebelliousSpirit
    All I can say is, the lessons you learned in your first marriage, were not specific to that situation. This is your life, don't let anyone ruin it for you. You know that.

    OMG, just to clarify - I was never married to that first b@stard. lol! My current marriage is my first and only.

    Sorry ... the mere mention of having ever been married to "him" makes me want to puke. So I had to clarify.

  • RebelliousSpirit
    RebelliousSpirit
    A) your in-laws are freakishly liberal JW's. Still, this is bigger than just you and them. B) Of course they have ALL been on their best behavior. In cult fighting language, we call it "love-bombing". It's really only natural to want to impress the new guy... I can't even blame them too much. But it does obscure the seemy underbelly that all of us who've lived it have experienced to some degree or another.

    My in-laws AND all of their friends (who are also elders and pioneers) are all rather liberal JWs I guess. Comparitively anyway. One of my MIL's favorite movies is Tommy Boy. lol! And she and I went to see "Meet the Fockers" a few weeks ago. She also loves Tori Amos.

    And yes I have imagined that the friends in "our" KH have all been on their best behavior. Although, actually, I have seen some sh!t from my own conductor lately - she STILL didn't talk to me after the meeting last night! I am supposed to have a study tomorrow and don't even know if I should show up!

    As far as my in-laws being on their "best behavior" - I have been with them 7 years and I've seen the best of and the worst of. They are still amazing people whom I respect tremendously. Their "best behavior" went out the window eons ago. lol!

  • Odrade
    Odrade

    One of the problems you'll be facing now, that you didn't have before, is you have now studied--- far enough to be baptized now if it weren't for the smoking. Previous to studying, everyone could say "someday she will see it..." and "Jehovah can read hearts." Now it will be "she is not humble" "she knows it's the truth and rejects Jehovah" and "she has a prideful and haughty spirit." There is no benefit of the doubt for you anymore, because now you "know better."

    I hope this doesn't change things with your in-laws, but be prepared that it may. Their view of the world, through their religion, taints all commonsense. The thing you really have to worry about now is people proselytizing your kids. Most JWs wouldn't tell a kid in a "divided household" that mommy is going to die at Armaggedon because of that benefit of the doubt that you may someday accept it. But now that you "know better" all bets are off. You guys are going to have to watch like a hawk over what certain ones in the congregation say to your kids. Even your in-laws may turn their attention to your kids--turning up the intensity of "teaching them about Jehovah" and reading the Bible Story book, which really means indoctrination. There are enough fear tactics in the children's books to really snag a young innocent child. Think of how you almost were caught up in it--now look at how vulnerable your kids are.

    I'm really glad you are letting your original thoughts about this organization come up to be re-examined. It's like there was a blanket over them, but they were still there, right?

    I know there are really nice people in the organization, that's what makes it sooooo hard to leave. But it will help if you look at it that they are nice apart from their religion, not because of it. And in fact, soon you will see that some of the naturally nice people in that Org will turn mean, hostile and judgmental, solely based on their religious beliefs. So their normal, nice friendly personality is subjugate to their indoctrination. Not natural. Not scriptural. Not acceptable.

    Think really hard also about why this decision to not pursue membership with this organization is causing you so much pain... Was it this painful for you when you thought of leaving the Catholics? Did you fear that your former parish would dog your every step and threaten to destroy your family? Were you concerned about sanctions put upon you by the Priest if you were to tell him "I'm not entirely convinced of this Church tenent"? Now look at the contrast between that, and what you are going through now.

    Remind yourself also that this is not YOU doing this to THEM, but THEIR OWN RULES supposedly reflecting GOD'S LOVE, that are causing you this anguish. Does that seem like God's Love to you?

    I noticed early on in these posts that you felt you didn't know alot about the bible before you started studying, but you seemed to be hooked because you didn't really believe a Trinity, and they showed you in the Bible what you needed initially to feel they really knew the scriptures. This is exactly how my father got involved. He knew nothing at all of the scriptures, and someone told him that JWs didn't believe in Hell. Well, neither did he, so because he felt they were right on this matter that everyone else had "wrong," he suddenly became convinced that everything else they told him was true. He was caught, hook line and sinker. Because he had no real knowledge of the Bible to compare it to, there was nothing in his training that was a contradiction.

    This is where you have an edge. You may not have had much training in Bible study prior to this, but you are curious enough to check it out and research (from other sources) whether what you are being taught is scriptural or editorial. This is what will save you when you think you're going crazy because "maybe they ARE right after all." Just do your research--not in the WT, with it's repetitive indoctrination, but from real authoratative, trained scholarly sources. Do some research on high-control tactics, and talk to someone professional about this if you need to. Perhaps your former priest...

  • RebelliousSpirit
    RebelliousSpirit
    Yes you make sense. You are a very smart woman.

    Thank you.

    It's like when you start dating, your always on your best behaviour, after the marriage (baptism) that's when everything changes and the rose colour glasses come off.

    I've been there done that before with my ex I mentioned previous. He never put a hand on me until after we moved in together (pseudo-marriage, IMHO). Once we moved in together, all hell broke loose. ::sigh::

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