I am sure my kids will do what they think is right when the time comes too.
I exposed my kids to the Witness groups. I left and two of them stayed and shuned me. That's the future for people exposing children to the Witness groups.
Studying with JWs - Confused, Conflicted ...
by RebelliousSpirit 278 Replies latest members private
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garybuss
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Kenneson
Rebellious,
On blood transfusions.
How could the apostles and elders condemn a medical practice that was non existent when Acts 15:29 was written? They were referring to something going on at that time, not something centuries later that they never even heard of.
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momof5
gerybuss,
If you were my Dad, I would not shun you!
In fact just about everyone in my gongregation has disfel. ,unbelieving, or inactive relatives and they all speak to them. Thay teach that you never know when there will be a change of heart and to be kind to everyone you know because they all belong to God. But there is this one girl.....
But if you are living a bad life then you can't expect them to be around you ALL the time. For the same reason I don't let my kids hang around certain other kids. I still tell them to be nice and be there for them if they change.
And as far as the blood transfusions, nobody talks about the many that die from blood given them. Does anyone know the statistics on that?
Trying to be open minded in my search......momof5
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outoftheorg
Hi Rebel.
I noticed you said a few times that you felt conflicted.
This jw religion does that to one. The more pragmatic or assessing one is, the worse it gets.
It is called "cognative dissonance".
This happens when one is led to believe, either by themselves or a cult, things that real life experiences tell us are incorrect.
For example, the jw's project them selves as a kind and loving religious group, and we are in effect told to believe that.
When our real life experience tells us that df'ing and shunning over acts that rightly are to be decided only by the individual. Are not at all, loving and kind.
That they project that ALL of mankind, including babies, are to die at armageddon if they don't BELONG to the wbts or jw's. Portrays GOD as an evil mean spirited father of mankind.
If you feel conflicted now, just wait until you join and spend a time in this cult.
I would advise a slow fade away from attending this cult.
Outoftheorg
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jgnat
"RebelliousSpirit", I am most impressed that you have held your own with some very sharp replies. Obviously you are a woman who makes up her own mind on things. I predict you will come through this period of confusion to clarity. All by your own-some. You sure are a smart and interesting lady. I look forward to getting to know you better. I hope you hang with us for a while.
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Grif
Just some food for thought...My children were raised as JW's. It has "scarred" them terribly. My daughter is 34 and my son 35 yrs. old. It was only this past Christmas that my son was comfortable with celebrating Christmas. They went through being shunned at school...not being able to participate in many school activities. They tell me now how horrible it really was. I would like to add that we "walked in the grey area" most of the time we were in this organization.
As far as the blood issue. I once talked the same way you and your husband do. I loved my children so very much. However, being "sucked in" to the point that I did just what I said I would never do. Both my children were born with blood disorders. This meant that they were to go through at least 3 crisis before they would then have to have major surgery. As JW's we were committed to "abstaining from blood". I walked down the halls with both my children going to surgery. My daughter have major and my son having double major surgeries at the same time. All the time believing that I was truely showing God that he came first in my life. My children were old enough to understand the risks of refraining from blood transfusions...my daughter of 8 yrs of age...comforting me with ..."It's okay, Mommy....I'll just go to sleep and wake up in the "new system". Of course, my children had to remain in Intensive Care having no contact with me or their father after the ordeal. I am pleased to report that they are doing quite well now. I just wanted to share with you how deeply involved you can become with this cult.
Think of what kind of life you want for your babies. Do you want them to enjoy their childhood? Do you want to be in the Girl Scouts or Boy Scouts? Do you want them to enjoy birthday parties? My children were not allowed any of this. They had to listen to their peers talk of how evil their parents were. They were being raised by crazy people. It is more than a religion. It is a lifestyle. So you might think of what kind of lifestyle you want for your children.
Just some things you might want to consider.....
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Incense_and_Peppermints
RebelliousSpirit, if you think you are confused and conflicted now, wait 'til you've been in it for a while...and then there's the irreparable, mind-blowing damage it does to your kids. you seem like a free thinker, and you said your husband "has a problem with authority". be the best parents you can be and stay away from that C-U-L-T . the only other thing i'm going to say is that i never have nightmares...for reals... but since i've come back here and started reading again, guess what? i have at LEAST two nightmares a week. i was gonna taper off but i saw that post about the jw's going after people's websites and well, here i am again...my point is, even after you move on and forget and piece yourself back together those #@$%@!s still #@$$#$@ with your mind...
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Tashawaa
In fact just about everyone in my gongregation has disfel. ,unbelieving, or inactive relatives and they all speak to them. Thay teach that you never know when there will be a change of heart and to be kind to everyone you know because they all belong to God. But there is this one girl.....
momof5 said the above, and Rebellious Spirit said the same of her FIL&MIL to her hubby.
Just so you know - I was df'd for eating a meal in a resturant with my sister who lived with me! She disassociated herself, was pregnant, and living with me prior to all this happening. I was not kicking her "out" of the house, as she needed support (emotionally, financially, etc)... even though the elders were pressuring me to.
At my committee meeting, they read me the scripture about "not even eating with such a one", and said I was seen eating with her in a resturant. I asked if I could eat with her at home. They gave me a look like I was being "stupid" and said of course. I pointed out that the scripture didn't differenciate between "eating out" and "eating in". We never talked about scriptural things - I "followed" the JW rules for treating df'd ones.l Anyway, I was df'd... it was a kangaroo court.
I just know, that there's speculation that I was doing "bad" things, that I had a bad attitude, etc. BUT that is not the case. I love my sister and chose to stick by her. For that I was df'd. Don't be fooled by those that can "get away" with talking to df'd or da'd relatives... if they want to use it against you, THEY WILL.
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stopthepain
what you do with your life is your choice,but don't screw up you children by bringing them thier,some day they will make thier own choices.
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Incense_and_Peppermints
yeah, they're real big on what the world thinks of them... as long as no one sees it, i guess it's ok... that's just smarmy. and unctuous. (i'm sure everyone knows what those words mean, but i'm putting them here for emphasis.)
smarm·y ( P ) Pronunciation Key (smär
adj. smarm·i·er, smarm·i·est- Hypocritically, complacently, or effusively earnest; unctuous . See Synonyms at unctuous.
- Sleek.
unc·tu·ous ( P ) Pronunciation Key (
adj.- Characterized by affected, exaggerated, or insincere earnestness: ?the unctuous, complacent court composer who is consumed with envy and self-loathing? (Rhoda Koenig).
- Having the quality or characteristics of oil or ointment; slippery .
yep, that's them all right. and bravo for sticking by your sister!