Further proof of no real message in OCCUPY

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  • botchtowersociety
    botchtowersociety

    What matters is the debate...the Great Drumming Debate of 2011.

    Last night's General Assembly meeting in Zuccotti Park was "one of most contentious ever," in large part due to a heated debate over whether the drummers at Occupy Wall Street should be given $8,000 from the movement's coffers to buy more drums and equipment. It seems some of the drums were stolen or vandalized, and the drummers asked the General Assembly to help them regroup. "We have worked for you! Appreciate us,"one drummer told the crowd, but the appeal was denied, and the Huff Post's Craig Kanalley tweeted, "Drummer who didn't get money from GA tonight now yelling, cursing at members of GA." Meanwhile, another member of the drum corps was lashing out at the Community Board meeting.

    "I am an occupier, I am a drummer, and, despite what they say, I am also a human being," Ashley Love, a young member of the OWS People of Color Working Group, told the packed Community Board meeting last night.

    http://gothamist.com/2011/10/21/drummers_at_occupy_wall_street_dema.php

    “[The high school] couldn’t teach,” explained Josh Nelson, a 27-year-old occupier from Nebraska. “And we’ve had issues with the drummers too. They drum incessantly all day, and really loud.” Facilitators spearheaded a General Assembly proposal to limit the drumming to two hours a day. “The drumming is a major issue which has the potential to get us kicked out," said Lauren Digion, a leader on the sanitation working group.

    But the drums were fun. They brought in publicity and money. Many non-facilitators were infuriated by the decision and claimed that it had been forced through the General Assembly.

    “They’re imposing a structure on the natural flow of music," said Seth Harper, an 18-year-old from Georgia. “The GA decided to do it ... they suppressed people’s opinions. I wanted to do introduce a different proposal, but a big black organizer chick with an Afro said I couldn’t.”

    To Shane Engelerdt, a 19-year-old from Jersey City and self-described former “head drummer,” this amounted to a Jacobinic betrayal. “They are becoming the government we’re trying to protest," he said. "They didn’t even give the drummers a say ... Drumming is the heartbeat of this movement. Look around: This is dead, you need a pulse to keep something alive.”

    The drummers claim that the finance working group even levied a percussion tax of sorts, taking up to half of the $150-300 a day that the drum circle was receiving in tips. “Now they have over $500,000 from all sorts of places,” said Engelerdt. “We’re like, what’s going on here? They’re like the banks we’re protesting."

    All belongings and money in the park are supposed to be held in common, but property rights reared their capitalistic head when facilitators went to clean up the park, which was looking more like a shantytown than usual after several days of wind and rain. The local community board was due to send in an inspector, so the facilitators and cleaners started moving tarps, bags, and personal belongings into a big pile in order to clean the park.

    But some refused to budge. A bearded man began to gather up a tarp and an occupier emerged from beneath, screaming: “You’re going to break my fucking tent, get that shit off!” Near the front of the park, two men in hoodies staged a meta-sit-in, fearful that their belongings would be lost or appropriated.

    Daniel Zetah, a 35-year-old lead facilitator from Minnesota, mounted a bench. “We need to clear this out. There are a bunch of kids coming to stay here.” One of the hoodied men fought back: “I’m not giving up my space for fucking kids. They have parents and homes. My parents are dead. This is my space.”

    Other organizers were more blunt. “If you don’t want to be part of this group, then you can just leave,” yelled a facilitator in a button-down shirt, “Every week we clean our house.” Seth Harper, the pro-drummer proletarian, chimed in on the side of the sitters. “We disagree on how we should clean it. A lot of us disagree with the pile.” Zetah, tall and imposing with a fiery red beard, closed debate with a sigh. “We’re all big boys and girls. Let’s do this.” As he told me afterwards, “A lot of people are like spoiled children." The cure? A cold snap. “Personally, I cannot wait for winter. It will clear out these people who aren’t here for the right reasons. Bring on the snow. The real revolutionaries will stay in -50 degrees.”

    “When cleanups happen, people get mad,” Glaser said. “This is its own city. Within every city there are people who freeload, who make people’s lives miserable. We just deal with it. We can’t kick them out.”

    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/occupy_animal_farm_the_organiz.html

    Looks like their little socialist project is having some trouble. But more importantly, drummers are people too, and no one should impose a structure on the natural flow of music! The drummers are the ones that earn the money and they are getting penalized for it. WTF is up with all that drum REGULATION? And TAXES? C'mon people! That is just like the BANKS!

    Lulz. Comedy GOLD!

  • Berengaria
    Berengaria
    WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE FROM YOU CONCERNING THE ANTI JEW FORCES IN THE OWS MOVEMENT.

    This comment leaves no room for discussion, it's not a question, it's a statement that there is indeed an "anti Jew force" in the OWS movement. Propaganda at it's finest.

    Are you denying it exists, or are you just not going to address it, or are you not outraged because you agree with it?

    Do you only beat your wife on Saturdays, or all through the week?

  • botchtowersociety
    botchtowersociety

    Sigh.........................and on and on and on. Now show me anyone in the movement who ostracized these people.

    There were infiltrators and whackos, and the demonstrators did what they could to prevent that.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4bpgnkNN7Q

    Ready made signage:

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    LOL---I like the sign on the guy's back---but why accuse a loon of being a lefty plant? Just do something ingenious like a sign on the back, instead of assigning questionable blame.

    NC

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    You know by blaming your loons on the left, is not the same as not acknowledging that you have loons. But you expect OW to take complete responsiblity for THEIR loons. Maybe they are all righty plants!! At least we acknowledge the problem.

    NC

  • Berengaria
    Berengaria

    Photoshop is a wonderful thing

    In case no one noticed, a woman asked the supposed OWS "Hitler's Bankers" (which is a really questionable anti Semitic comment) how much FOX was paying him. So that theory is definitely floating here too.

    It's all bull. There are nutjobs everywhere. The difference is the message. One is Taxed Enough Already in the midst of the lowest federal taxes in years (not to mention huge corp funding behind the Tea Party), the other is get big money out of politics, why should my voice be drowned out by Exxon Mobile and Bank of America.

    Only brainwashed tools are questioning the legitimacy of this movement. Brainwashed, stupid, or complicit. You pick.

    Burn I challenge you to look up Naomi Wolfs story of arrest, and tell me you somehow disagree with her.

  • Berengaria
    Berengaria

    Strange, if I actually wanted to join "Trash the Tea Party", I would be unable to find it...............................

    Where'd you come up with that one? The Blaze? Zero Hedge? Pajama's Media? American Thinker?...........................

  • drewcoul
    drewcoul

    NC, You are the only one to express anything even remotely resembling outrage at racism at the OWS protests. Everyone else has done nothing to distance themselves from it. I know my comments earlier got under flipper and Bek's skin, but my point is that they expect outrage when wackos show up at TeaParty rallies, but don't express the same outrage when nut jobs show up at the OWS rally.

    Beks: I do not believe you to be racist. I laughed at your response. Very funny.

    I would just like to see you demonstrate the same amount of disgust with these loons as you did when nut jobs show up at tea party rallies. Do you acknowledge that tea party rallies have nut jobs that show up just like OWS rallies and they don't necessarily represent the sentiment of the movement?

    The response seems to be to point at the tea party. It's like saying, "Well, your racists are worse than our racists."

  • drewcoul
    drewcoul
    Only brainwashed tools are questioning the legitimacy of this movement. Brainwashed, stupid, or complicit. You pick

    Are you saying that no intelligent person could question the legitimacy of the movement? Seriously, you believe that no one could question the legitimacy of the OWS protests that is educated, reasonable, thoughtful, intelligent, and compassionate? Kind of a broad brush don't you think?

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