Used to have one for a snack each night. I was watching calories so usually blueberries and ice and stevia sugar substitute.
peacefulpete
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Will Christ Be Ashamed To Claim P.IM.O.'s?
by IWant2Leave ini started my fade about two years ago and at present i have no intention of writing a disassociation letter.
the pros and cons of being p.i.m.o.
have been discussed on this forum many times.
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peacefulpete
Many (millions) people are no longer active JWs but carry baggage from their experience. I know some who fearfully refuse to renounce the GB, some who fear death in an impending doomsday, some who don't do holidays thinking "at least I don't do that". Its not surprising given the depth of the programming and methods of control used by the group. I used to say of such folks that they left for the wrong reasons. Some were kicked out for nonconformity, others left because of emotional abuse etc. They problem is, the programming must be addressed to be able to move on and start a new life. There are posters here for many years who still cling to aspects of the doctrine and identity. They may even see themselves as true JWs. My heart breaks for them. Always not good enough or always unable to embrace the larger world. Always outsiders.
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1914 Questions
by sweetyj inim not sure if this has already been asked here but i have some questions about 1914. if jesus arrived "invisibly" in the year 1914 why do the anointed partake of the emblems?
why didn't they stop in 1914?.
if jesus is ruling in heaven then why are the anointed still on earth?
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peacefulpete
They actually taught that Jesus arrived in 1874 and would become manifest in 1914 (40 years later). When that failed they danced around for a few years struggling to offer a few reasons for delay then revised their numbers saying they had actually said he would arrive in 1914. The 1874 actually was a spring off of the Millerites prediction of 1844. They added (30 years, Jesus time on earth). Its a tangled mess of pyramids and imaginary parallels. In the end when coincidently ww1 started kinda close to their 1914 date it cemented the prediction as fixed. They have been stuck with it since.
Your question about why they continue to do the sacraments is a valid one and reflects the arbitrary way they have timed expressions like "arrived" and "comes". Careful reading of old WT material showed me and my wife how often they casually shifted the timing of certain passages, I believe without awareness of doing it. I made the mistake of commenting that an statement i the WT was "new light" as they had applied a passage to a new time. I was told assertively it was not new or we would have been told it was new. I showed them the previous application and they told me to be quiet and not divisive. Its for good reason they no longer encourage having an extensive library.
In the end I imagine they need the sacraments to serve as a distinction between hierarchy and lay class.
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OMG Gretta von funberg is trying to sing
by mickbobcat inthis stupid little autistic twit is a no talent hack.
she can not dance, sing or even talk well.
the liberal idiots follow this little idiot like she is the oracle of delphi.
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Help me figure out what to say...I'm not usually at a loss for words
by Terry inwell, i finally found him on facebook!.
his name is tollie padgett.
he was my congregation overseer (before the "elder" changeover) when i was in prison in seagoville in the late 60's.. i've been searching for him for years and years.
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peacefulpete
Found a missionary couple we served with after only 25 years. Tried to find something to talk about but eventually his apostate radar kicked in and he shut me out.
Digging up bones.......exhuming things better left alone.
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Interesting Scripture!
by Iamallcool inhttps://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/jeremiah/20/#v24020007 .
.i have never noticed this scripture!
verse 7. i have never read the whole bible!
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peacefulpete
It is an interesting turn of phrase, "You fooled/deceived me" . It reflects the more primitive sentiment that humans are tools/ pawns in the Yahweh's hands. While how much of the book reflects the work of the one man is hotly debated, the message of Jeremiah at least here is one of capitulation to Babylon. Make what you will of the mental state of the prophets, he was sure Babylon was going to clobber them and felt the best course was to bow down.
His message was understandably unpopular and viewed as traitorous.
The priest had him put in stocks and he was ridiculed for his lack of faith and courage.
As a prophet during Josiah's attempts to reform the religion of Judah he was of the Yahwist camp that no doubt delighted in his insistence upon exclusive Yahweh worship.
He saw the Egyptians then kill Josiah and then depose Josiah's son Jehoahaz from the throne and appoint Jehoiakim king. Then he saw Egypt's rival Babylon take over and siege Jerusalem and Jehoiakim change allegiance from Egypt to Babylon. Then "Babylonian,[a] Aramean, Moabite and Ammonite" raiders come and kill Jehoiakim, possibly for some revolt(??)
The Babylon subsequently appointed Jehoiachin/Jeconiah as king at either 8 or 18 years old.
3 months later Babylon sent armies to collect the royals to take them to Babylon for assimilation and education.
Jeremiah suggested they give up but the King insisted upon resistance.
Jeremiah saw a lot of confusing turns of events and likely felt a bit "fooled" much of the time.
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Installation of Yahweh alone
by Doug Mason ini have released my latest study for your criticism, corrections, and advice.. “installation of yahweh alone”.
yahweh’s journey from local warrior god assigned to weather and storms to his installation as the universal deity -- and the people who put him there.. available at: https://www.academia.edu/s/e1d2a5b016?source=link .
doug .
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peacefulpete
Your review is a labor of love. No doubt it helps organize the thoughts by actually writing them out. If I might suggest a couple areas of refinement. The process of syncretizing the imported Yahweh deity with the indigenous gods El and Baal, was a painful and long process. Gradually the iconography and theophanic language was shifted to Yahweh by those with the power to do it. It seems largely a political strategy of leaders such as Josiah to unite a small empire with a state religion. Religious purists likely chaffed at expressions like "Bull Yahweh" and the occasions wherein worship of Yahweh involved the use of bulls. But political power and time win over. Incredibly the OT contains both religious positions tenuously side by side; condemnation of Yahwism with Baal and El iconography, and overt acceptance of this transition.
Regarding Yahweh's origin from the south, the Kennite hypothesis convincingly put the pieces together many years ago. Conclusive, no but the OT assertions to that effect are pretty hard to explain if not accurate. At least it was widely believed that Yahweh was a Edom/Medianite deity that "adopted" Israel as his people.
I'll also suggest pursuing research regarding the "10 tribes of Isreal". Modern scholarship might use the term as a nod to earlier work in reference to the Northern coalition/nation of Israel but in doing so are not literally suggesting 10 of an original 12 are historical tribes. The "tribe" names are often simply geographical or etiological creations not sons of of a patriarchal Jacob. The number 12 has cultic symbolism.
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"My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"
by Diogenesister incan anyone remember the reasoning the watchtower gave for jesus speaking these words?
if you have a reference that would be even better!.
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First, The quote is itself a very loose Greek LXX translation of the Hebrew, Ps 22:2, "My God, I call by day, and Thou answerest not, And by night, and there is no silence to me.". So any claim to fulfillment of prophesy is already quite strained.
Second, the passage appears early in NT manuscript variants as "Why have you reviled me?" Which begs the question, why? Why would a Christian scribe alter the text? The scribe's motive might possibly explain its original intent. Early Gnostic Christians quoted this verse and understood it as support for the doctrine that the man Jesus was a vessel for a Divine entity that left as Jesus was dying. The popular Gospel of Peter words the quote as: "My power, O power, you have left me."
So Orthodox scribes simply sidestepped the theological debate by altering the text to "why...reviled me?" Is it possible the original writer of Mark had intended something like what the Gnostic Christians understood? We may never know.
It is interesting that the revision of Mark known as Matthew included this passage verbatim but the later revision called Luke dropped it. Perhaps by then the controversy was already brewing.
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Do You Love The Country You Are In or From?
by minimus inmost people over the generations have taken pride in their heritage, nationality and country they are from.
it’s not uncommon to hear of “proud” italians and proud irish people , as an example.
are you proud of your country and your nationality or do you feel shame or indifference?.
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Minimus.....Loving your country is a lot like loving your parents. When you are a young child you love them and are convinced they can do no wrong. As you mature and learn more you see them as flawed people you disagree with quite often, but can still love them anyway.
Telling people who see flaws and wish to improve their country to simply leave displays a toddler perspective.
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peacefulpete
If I was in a plane that had engine trouble, I'd call my wife and thank her for the life she gave me.