Topics Started by Phizzy
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The Atheist "Good News " !
by Phizzy insam , "kate wild", asserted that i am an evangelist for atheism, o.k then, here is the atheist "good news".. "there is no god, now relax and enjoy life"..
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Starting from a false Premise.
by Phizzy inwe often see "starting from a false premise" enacted on here.
believers will start from the basis that there is a god.. bible believers will start from the basis that it is the word of god in some measure, and worse are jw apologists, they pre-suppose that the first two are a given, and that their beloved property company posing as a religion is god's organization.. none of those premises have been proven, some have been disproven, but we are supposed to go along with them.. now, you may be happy to debate on that basis, in fact it is probably good "exercise", but in the end i find their arrogant, unproven assertions begin to really annoy me, and then i stick in what is known on here as a "cofty", which is a short, succinct comment that points out the big hole in their presentation.. the only thing you find then is, either the apologist cuts and runs, or totally ignores your "cofty".. i think, even if we enjoy debating for a while with such people, at a certain point we need to call them out on their false premise, or premises, otherwise a j.w lurking here may simply accept the words of the apologist and gain nothing in the way of truth..
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How about a Lapel Badge ?
by Phizzy intt a tt.
i am sure you guys can come up with something better ?.
sorry, i had a better design that didn't get copied across, maybe big j thinks its a bad idea, so he's messing with copy and paste today ?.
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Unquestioning obedience
by Phizzy inthis has been demanded over the years by the wt.
it used to be mildly subtle the way the words were couched.. then they came out with, what they have repeated recently, that it is necessary to obey, even if you cannot understand the reasons, cannot understand why you are being asked to do something.. as a born in i knew nothing of it being a cult, and was only aware of the mind control in a foggy sort of way, accepting it as their way of trying to keep control.. but when i saw those words about unquestioning obedience, my blood ran cold, it then hit me that something was wrong, badly wrong.. how did you react ?.
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JW's Flood relief work Calgary ??
by Phizzy inon jw.org there is a short video singing the praises of the flood relief work done by the jw's in canada.
it sounds as though they mainly, if not, exclusively, looked after jw's ?.
anybody know first hand how this work went, and are the recipients supposed to sign over their insurance money to the wt when they get it ?.
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German "JW's" just after WW2
by Phizzy inwhen i was growing up in the religion i heard a number of times that immediately after ww2 many jw's in germany left the religion.. i was told that this was, despite their courageously opposing the nazi regime, and enduring concentration camps etc, after the war , they fell prey to "materialism".. there was much shaking of heads as to how this could happen.. whilst reading an old thread the other day, i read there that these ones who left did so because they did not agree with doctrinal changes that had gone on whilst they had been cut off by the nazis and the war, "materialism" was nothing to do with it.. is this another case of watchtower revisionist "history" ?.
does anyone know the truth about what happened at this time ?.
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Can we excuse the R&F for ever ?
by Phizzy ingenerally i go along with it when posters express pity and sympathy for the r&f jw's.
i feel this way toward them too, to a degree.. but where do we draw the line ?
we know that jw's do not have a conscience of their own really, they are told how to think and act, and they have to obey.. just as those living in nazi germany were told how to think and act, and had to obey.. but, " i was just following orders " was not taken as a valid defense at nuremburg.. as the wt descends in to becoming more and more like north korea in its do not question, simply obey !
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WE SHALL OVERCOME ! WE ARE NOT AFRAID !
by Phizzy indear old pete seeger has passed, bless him.
what an influence that man had on so many different aspects of life !.
his most famous anthem, "we shall overcome", taken from an old slave song, has especial resonance for us, we have left the w.t, many of us have taken the "underground railroad", but the slavery of loved ones continues.. i really do believe, that with the internet and our efforts, we shall overcome some day .. the most important thing though, is to be as the verse that was added to that song says, "we are not afraid", .... for "we shall overcome some day".. we have no reason to fear anything the wt may do, they are now a toothless tiger.. if someone can embed a really good version of this song, or several, please do so, i beg you.
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The Apostle Paul was taught a Myth !! not the "Truth".
by Phizzy inthe exact chronology of paul's damascene experience cannot be firmly established, but certainly a number of years had passed since the death of jesus.
perhaps only three or four years, maybe more.
we do not have an accurate history of this time.. but, it is evident that by the time paul was converted a cult of jesus was flourishing within judaism, hence his opposition, as it seemed very subversive to his pharisee mind.. what was this cult built upon ?
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Have you noticed the JW child who........?
by Phizzy inhave you seen the jw child who grows up to be the ideal product of the cult from its point of view, and presumably from its indoctrinated parent's point of view?.
that young person is a weirdo !!!.
i can think of a number like this, still a minority fortunately, in that most of the ones i watched grow up either left or did not embrace the thing anywhere near 100%.. but those one-hundred-percenter kids are something to behold !.