i am catching up on this july 15th study watchtower everyone is talking about.
it's perhaps a bit more intense in its vitriol than has been published in the watchtower in a long while (since the early 1980s apostate witch hunt) but it's stuff we've all heard before, even down to comparing apostasy to an illness and calling apostates mentally diseased.. but the phrase that stuck out for me was this:.
they may arise from within the congregation.
yeah its true
know i think about it the organization was supposed to be Gods BODY they were like one and the same
it's only now years later after not having thought about this for a long time that I see how they elevate the organization ABOVE God
The dubsa re constantly talkng abotu lovorganization, serve organization, listen to organization,
They really DONT talk much about God/Jehovah at all!
i got to try something, i know all you great people have commented previously that you've got to do your time working through it, but i need to try for myself a quick answer, i think that because i got into the jw mindset so easily through my parents, that through a hypnotic state i may be able to destroy the damage due to the gb, and begin my life a new, i will give you updates as to the results, peace to you all!.
star tiger.
ps i am glad they do student rates, lol!!
I'm not exactly sure hypnotherapy would work.
Teh thing with hypnotherapy is that as a general rule you have to KNOW what it IS you want to change then go into the subconcious and erase/rewrite it.
The problem for people who are leaving a cult, in this case JW, is that the cults have done such a GOOD job at getting into your brain that you dont even KNOW what it IS you need to change.
The BIGGEST issue for someone leaving a cult is Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). But, just like a military soldier the PTSD is not coming FROM the action of leaving... its coming from your TRAINING.... the indoctrination that was done to you.
You would do well to find a doctor who specializes in PTSD there are some very good ones out there and some are specialists in Cult leaving.
Many use emdr and CBT to get over the thinking patterns that need to be disrupted.
See if there is a cult information service in your country you can call (we have a coulpl in Australia, there are some in US not sure where u are...) and they can perhaps recommend someone to you.
Please keep us updated I would be very interested to hear how it goes.
i'm so tired of hearing people setting goals for themselves.
i know people who are in there early twenties with the goal of being a c.o.
do people just wake up one day and say "i think ill become a c.o" well i know some girls that want to marry a c.o.
" Why not set up your own Literature Counter and use only sisters?"
OKay now it's starting to sound like "Children of God" (The Family International)
jehovah's witness battles in kansas court for bloodless transplant .... kansas city star - brad cooper-1 hour ago.
but she also would have to compromise her jehovah's witness principles, because she would receive a blood transfusion, something she believes violates god's ...transplant case pits religion, medicaid rules -kansas.com.
get in and comment expose deadly watchtower dogma shows how unpractical bloodless elective surgeries can be wants $250.000 k for operation.
Some things they dont LIKE to document... so they can change it later
it bewilderers me how reluctant exjw australians are to take legal action on sexual, mental, physical and spiritual abuse !.
im an australian grew up during the failed generation prophecy and almost every kid i knew in my congregation was being molested by brother so and so ... or "elder so and so who looks after little sister whilst witnessing...... blar blar blar.
we all knew it .... us kids that is ... thought it was the norm ..... unspoken secrets we shared our stories with "promise to jehovah not to tell but ..... or did you know he's doing it to her as well ......... it makes me a tad bit angry that us aussies dont have the guts the u.s has had ...... does anyone know of a single lawsuit by an ex australian jehovah's witness regarding sexual abuse ?.
Frsitly I was never physically abused and I never knew anyone who was - our Congo was pretty good like that.
But Paul has a good point and thats that you have to prove it has been faciitated by the top levels.
There was an important case involving Hare Krishna children who had been sent away to their schools and were physically and sexually beaten and even tortured.. but it was all very extreme stuff ... they took class action but things were very drawn out.
They filed in 2000 but the case dragged on until 2008 when they WON (timeline and documents here: http://surrealist.org/gurukula/timeline/lawsuit.html )
They won $20Million BUT...and here is the big BUT: Most of it has never been paid out. Why? Because ISKCON (the hare Krishna organisation, who ironically are also called the Governing Body Commission) FILED FOR BUNKRUPTCY soon after!
In the case of the dubs it might be very hard to prove they have facilitated anything... there is always that "2 witness" rule that makes it VERY hard for a victim to get help - but I wouldn't like the chances of an entire case restign on that alone.
And if the Hare Krishnas with ALL their temples made of GOLD, their jeewels etc etc can pull of bankruptcy - you can sure as hell bet the WTS would do it too - after all what do they have? Bethel and a bunch of books.
i opend the thread where someone is talking about their grandma and it has this ad on there:.
hahaha i'm so wrong for laughing.
who the hell comes up with these ads?.
keyword targetting at its awful best
well, that huge sigh of relief we're hearing is from brooklyn.
evidence is mounting that the lead codices found earlier this year which depicted jesus being executed on a cross are fakes.
so jehovah's witnesses can still maintain their assertion that christ was executed on a stake and not a cross for now.
@wobble
there are arleady plenty of books/textx documents describing what Jesus said and did that are NOT part of the biblical canon (ie books that were tossed out of the final edit by the church to suit their own agenda)
So a google search for apocryphal gospels
my sister drink the wine and bread.
to my surprise the.
elders did not take her seriously.
When I was a kid we didn't have any "annointed" in our congo
but it was pretty much an unstated "fact" that anyone who was anointed would be really aged because they were born before 1914
noone under the age of 70 could have "possibly" qualified
i'm new here, and although i have been a lurker for several months now, its nice to finally dive in and join you all.
i hope that i find some friends as thats what i'm really looking for, i've seen enough proof that theres real love outside of this religious prison that i've biult for myself over the years, but i would like to feel it firsthand.
it's been a little hard to post anything since it's not easy being around in websites like these when you're still in and theres other jw's around sticking their noses everywhere, but now that i've found the time, i would like to share a bit about my story.... this is an email i sent paul grundy, (creator of jwfacts.com) and it basically sums up the story of my life... so i thought it would be good if you all had a read as well.
Hi and welcome to the board
Im really glad u sent this letter to Paul Grundy.
He is from the congo I grew up in - as young teens all us girls thought he was the bees knees- young handsome and a Pioneer to boot!
So I was really surprised and happy that after all this years "out" - when I FINALLY decided to confront my past and look up ex JW's online I also found Paul's site and contacted him. He's a great guy I am sure he will have some good advice for you.
I was in a similar situation to you when I decded to get out.
One day I will write my story here..
but for now my advice to you is start looking at your OPTIONS.
Don't do anythign hastily.
If you know you want to get out - then you need to make plans. This is a skill inlife NOT just for this situation but for anythign you want to do.
Sit down and write a list of plans. What you want to be doing a year from now (even if you dont know and you JUST want to be OUT.. write what u need to do in 6 months.. 3 months and 1 month to be able to accomplish that 1 year goal.
There are lots of websites and book about goal setting - check them out - I really like Anthony Robbins (yeah the guy from TV) he helped me achieve many of my goals.
You're going to need a job... even if it's flipping burgers - you need money.
You could learn a trade etc at night school.
If you took a job by day and studied at night - you'd have a Legitimate excuse to cut back on service and meetings whilst remaning at home saving to meet your goals.
You will notice on this website a LOT of people here do that while they are trying to get out - use work and or study to your advantage.
It's like "buying time" for yourself without rocking the boat too much with the parents/elders etc.
Please believe me when I tell you (as many others here will) that there IS a life for you outside the WTS ... there are many of us out here living our lives as "regular" people... we found jobs, we had familes, sure many of us have hangups and some crappy things we havn't really got over but for the most part I'd say we are happier now.
You are still young and many of the issues you face are not JUST related to being a JW.. I have muslim friends and hindu friends and christian freinds all young and facing the same kinds of issues (ie: trying to please their families and churches/groups trying to find jobs/ trying to find real friends, tryign to find their place in the world.
It;s a part of being an adult but unfortunately some of the stuff that the WTS likes to put into our heads makes it a little (sometimes a lot) more difficult for us to make our own decisions and know what is and isn't good for us.
The fact that you are here and asking is an AMAZING first step to regainign control on your own life - many dont take that step
CONGRATULATIONS to you.
SO continue to ask questiosn to people here.
We are all here because we want to help.
Bless.
well like exdubs my adult life has been a horried rollercoaster of ups and downs.
whilst attending a marriage counselling sesiion for the first time last week, the counsellor told me that is appears strongly that i have ptds and linked it back to my childhood as a dub.
i started doing some research and memories came flooding back.
Well like exdubs my adult life has been a horried rollercoaster of ups and downs
Whilst attending a marriage counselling sesiion for the first time last week, the counsellor told me that is appears strongly that I have PTDS and linked it back to my childhood as a dub
I started doing some research and memories came flooding back
Ironically just 2 days later the dubs knocked on my door Saturday morning. My instant reaction was "NO! Im a D/A... BYE" coz I know they WONT talk to me, so that was a *PHEW* moment.
but yeah it got me thinking and I have a LOT to work thru.
I joined this site hoping to find old friends and learn some ways to get past the BORG thinking that is screwing my life.
My details:
Carol (32 years old)
Hobart Central / Hobart South Central (after congo split early 90's) Tasmania Australia
D/A 1996
