by hibiscusfire 367 Replies latest members adult
doogie:
"my own non-biblical, completely instinctual, atheistic moral code also includes an understanding that murder is bad, stealing is an undesirable practice, and loving and accepting any who would do me no harm is a great goal. it's odd"
Ok so being the case doogie what really inspired you to feel this way?
Where did you learn this or who did you learn it or hear it from?
What would make people care enough to do the right things?
HIBISCUSFIRE
Love is fundamentally acceptance of a human. Being fully committed without attachment to agenda.
MrsJones:
"Romans 6: 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in [ b ] Christ Jesus our Lord."
I love this!
Thank you.
I know that Jesus gave us more instructions to follow. Yes He came to fulfil a purpose and He did. He preached love --- love includes not murdering, lying, stealing, honouring father and mother----most of all LOVING OUR CREATOR.
Romans 4
Abraham Justified by Faith
1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." [a]4 Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 "Blessed are they
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man
whose sin the Lord will never count against him." [b]9 Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness. 10 Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. 12 And he is also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.
13 It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14 For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, 15 because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
16 Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all. 17 As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations." [c] He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed—the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.
18 Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, "So shall your offspring be." [d] 19 Without weakening in his faith, he faced the fact that his body was as good as dead—since he was about a hundred years old—and that Sarah's womb was also dead. 20 Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21 being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. 22 This is why "it was credited to him as righteousness." 23 The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone, 24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. 25 He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.
I think if people followed my 10 commandments the world would definately be a better place:
1. Dont feed the trolls
2. Get a life
3. Laugh now and again. its sexy.
4. Ignore all advertising aimed at making you want to look younger / slimmer / have cleaner cutlery
5. Do random acts of kindness
6. Dont kill people unless there is a really good reason for it
7. Accept that there are exceptions to every rule.
8. Be nice to mathematics teachers and single mums
9. Listen to small children, you are talking crap, not them most of the time
10. Dont feed the trolls. This is the only rule with no exception, and you are not allowed to invoke any internal logic to try and argue this one out.
Spook:
"Love is fundamentally acceptance of a human. "
Only for humans?
Yet acceptance would mean accepting a person and their wrong doings. Wouldn't it be loving to help or teach the person to do the right thing?
think if people followed my 10 commandments the world would definately be a better place:1. Dont feed the trolls
2. Get a life
3. Laugh now and again. its sexy.
4. Ignore all advertising aimed at making you want to look younger / slimmer / have cleaner cutlery
5. Do random acts of kindness
6. Dont kill people unless there is a really good reason for it
7. Accept that there are exceptions to every rule.
8. Be nice to mathematics teachers and single mums
9. Listen to small children, you are talking crap, not them most of the time
10. Dont feed the trolls. This is the only rule with no exception, and you are not allowed to invoke any internal logic to try and argue this one out.
LOL! I like those commandments...I have fallen short
Josie
Ok so being the case doogie what really inspired you to feel this way? Where did you learn this or who did you learn it or hear it from? What would make people care enough to do the right things?
1) umm...ethics, morals, values. i'm not really sure what you're getting at, but it's an inner feeling of right and wrong. my conscience.
2) to add to #1, it's shaped by your experience (the things you read and see, and your culture (what your family and your immediate and extended society believes). i also believe that there are evolutionary pressures that have placed a moral code upon humans. (read: not JUST the bible. but on the other hand, i'd be a fool to say that the christian society i was raised in had no effect on my sense of ethics).
human morals are a melting pot of so many things, which is evidenced in the vastly different moral codes throughout the world. (i.e. some cultures actually still practice child sacrifice.) to say that the moral code of the 10 commandments is inherent to all humans is simply not true. some societies place great value on murder, rape, and theft in certain contexts.
3) the "right things" according to which society? (see answer #2)
I think if people followed my 10 commandments the world would definately be a better place:1. Dont feed the trolls
2. Get a life
3. Laugh now and again. its sexy.
4. Ignore all advertising aimed at making you want to look younger / slimmer / have cleaner cutlery
5. Do random acts of kindness
6. Dont kill people unless there is a really good reason for it
7. Accept that there are exceptions to every rule.
8. Be nice to mathematics teachers and single mums
9. Listen to small children, you are talking crap, not them most of the time
10. Dont feed the trolls. This is the only rule with no exception, and you are not allowed to invoke any internal logic to try and argue this one out.
"rule 1: don't talk about fight club..."
Only for humans?
Yes. In our context it would be confusing to extend the argument to love as a feeling for other things like movies, stuffed animals, foods, etc.. If you want a materialistic explanation, look it up. So, in reality, love is a word. It's a word used very loosely for many often unrelated and contradicting things. So, I create that as a definition. Try it on.
Yet acceptance would mean accepting a person and their wrong doings. Wouldn't it be loving to help or teach the person to do the right thing?
No. Only after accepting them on the level of humanity and being can you deal with actions on the level of doing. That and you already assume that you know the right thing in order to teach them. Reality is the test of the *right thing.* If your system brings war and oppression, then it is wrong. If your system creates genocide and intolerance, then it is wrong. If your system promotes the subjection of women, the plundering of the environment, the domination of aryan races, racism towards jews, refusal of scientific testible reality, the crucifying of mentally ill nuns. And if it gains superiority, the masses will rise up again. And this time, the world perhaps can NOT survive if it gets to that point.
Trying to change somebody is fundamentally a form of opposition. There is no hiding behind *good* intentions. There is struggle over ideas that is tested in reality. That is all. If you oppose something, come right out and say it. Don't confuse the issue with love and good intentions. There is a future you want and a future I want. Let us struggle over the issues in reality, dealing with things as they are. The difference is that mine is a future we can make in reality. Yours is a future (I'll credit as possible for discussion) that is completely out of our control. I do not accept your future. That does not mean I think you are a *bad* person, or that I wish harm to you, or that I have given up in any way on your human potential. But I won't hide behind good intentions as a cloak for the struggle of ideas.
