Flat earth vs round earth

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  • WhatshallIcallmyself

    I think some people confuse "do not know how they did it" referring to how the logistics were organised to achieve something with "do not know how they did it" referring to some elusive lost knowledge meaning we could not replicate their achievements.

    Archaeologists must love these type of people as much as biologists love creationists...

  • _Morpheus

    Its unforgivably stupid given what these morons can see around them everyday.

  • MrRoboto
    whats all this 3D triangle talk, i thought this was sphere vs plane?
  • ttdtt

    _Morpheus - there are some topics and some people that you must just call out as Morons and not worth talking to.

    Giving any credence to Flat earthers or Faked moonshot is like opening up a discourse on if Leprechauns are real, and if they can help us find a pot of gold.

    I think this is just the work of Trolls who are giggling at it all.

  • MrRoboto

    on a serious note, does anyone have a reasonable explanation as to how the atmosphere doesnt simply get siphoned off into the vacuum of space? im not pushing any FE ideas or others, just wondering.

    gravity doesnt seem to be a good explanation. i know theres a pressure gradient. near the surface, an air pressure gradient results in a wind blowing in the direction of lowest pressure as the high tries to equalize with the low. why not the same from the surface to space?

    i suppose if earth were contantly generating the air around us at an equal rateto theexodus into space, that would work, no one has ever suggested this though that i know of, and seems a bit silly.

  • MrRoboto

    But ttdtt, leprauchans most certainly are real, check it out in this youtube vid. (link below)

    Sure, Trump might call that "fake news" but we know the truth!


  • kairos

    I don't like the name calling.

    Does that make you feel better?

    It's nothing new.


    Again, it's remarkable the similarities compared to arguing with a dub.
    "We don't believe you because we believe what we were told more..."
    "I'm not going to look".

    Classic cognitive dissonance.


    Have you spent 100s, if not 1000s of hours researching the ancient megaliths?
    No? Then how do you know about them. For example, how did 'they' move the huge cut and machined red granite blocks 500 hundred miles from the Aswan quarry to the inner chamber of the Great Pyramid of Giza?

    Tell me about Petra, in Jordan or Kailasa Temple in India.


    Just like we've spent 100s ,if not 1000s of hours researching the JWs and there failed teachings. We know about the ARC, the UN membership, rampant abuse and lack of reporting, etc.
    ( sometimes using, gasp!!, the internet or Tony Morris forbid, YouTube )

    The beauty of this thread:
    It exposes people's true personality.


    One thing an open minded person will notice about the Flat Earth movement; millions now living are researching it!

    Look at the FACT that there are thousands of videos and web sites about this.
    Set your Google news alert to get daily notifications on 'Flat Earth' in the news.
    There are typically 6-8 stories everyday in the MSM. Does that surprise you?


    How do you know if you are NOT a 'Conspiracy Theorist'?
    You believe the 'official story' told to you by the authorities without question or second thought. ( just like when you were still a dub )

  • TerryWalstrom

    (Note: when I use the quotation marks around a word such as "fact" it means seemingly.)

    I spent an idle fifteen minutes one day watching one of the many Flat Earth videos posted on YouTube.
    I was "lucky" to find one of the "best" ones.
    Let me explain the mindset.
    1. You're simply curious, you watch one or two videos.
    2. You become slightly intrigued by the "proof" reasons / facts. So, a casual investigation commences purely for the purpose of being able to dismiss the whole thing.
    3. You now find that you are experiencing a "disturbance in the force." In other words, some debate points are a little too close to scaring you. You find your firm-foundation-footing is an imbalanced.
    4. Fear and wonderment creep in. Now you can't let go. This thing simply cannot be real! But--but--you have to learn more. And more. And more...


    That's what I went through. I spent about 4 hours on this roller-coaster.


    There is parallel with becoming a JW.
    We followed those steps from total renunciation to curiosity to an investigation, etc.


    No, the Earth is not Flat.
    So, what is going on?

    1. NASA has fudged in the past with photos and videos purely for patriotic propaganda purposed and NOT for a coverup.

    Photos from space have been Photoshopped to the very last pixel.
    The Space Administration hasn't been upfront soon enough to escape the conspiracy activists who want to use that for their purposes.

    2. Ignorance of the ordinary citizen about Science. You see, most of the truly astounding scientific discovery has been COUNTER-intuitive.
    We see the Earth around us as flat. I mean--it LOOKS...flat. So, historically--it was an easy mistake. The idea of a globe with people standing on the "other" side--at first--sounds preposterous. So, there's that. And so on.
    3. Almost any argument can be framed expertly to take advantage of tiny flaws which keep adding up (by asking more and more detailed questions.)
    4. The beauty of the Flat Earth argument is how it has a surprise ending.
    GOD! Yeah, God. People "need" Big Daddy psychologically.

    Anyway--if you find the right (right?) videos you'll go on a wild ride and probably have an exhilarating trip if you keep your mind open.

    For me--the one "fact" which shook me to my very soul was this:
    What if I were to tell you that most, if not all, of Challenger’s 7 crew members are still alive and thriving in their new professions, contrary to what we’ve been told?

    It’s one thing that one of the Challenger’s crew members resembles someone alive today. For that, we can chalk it up to a coincidence.

    It is another thing entirely that SIX members of the Challenger crew have doppelgängers who are alive, in some cases with exactly the same names (Richard Scobee, Michael J. Smith, Judith Resnick, Sharon McAuliffe). What are the chances of that?


    All this conspiracy exercise really demonstrates is that you can sometimes find two people with the same name who bear a passing resemblance to each other. To wit:

    Born on May 19, 1939, Commander Francis Richard Scobee was 46 when he died in the Challenger explosion. He would be 75 years old if he were alive today.

    Strangely, there’s a man also named Richard Scobee, the CEO of a Chicago marketing-advertising company called Cows in Trees, who bears a striking resemblance (factoring in the 30-year timelapse) to Commander Richard Scobee — same high forehead, same eyebrows, same wide-set eyes that are slightly tilted down in their outer corners.

    These two Scobees are similar in appearance, but there are distinct differences that can’t be accounted for by the passage of years (such as the difference in ear shapes). Moreover, at the time that Francis Richard Scobee, the former Air Force pilot, was training with NASA as an astronaut and serving as an instructor pilot for the shuttle’s 747 carrier aircraft, Richard Scobee, the current CEO of Cows in Trees, was serving as CEO and President of The Marketing Edge, Inc. in Chicago. The same man couldn’t have been holding down two such disparate jobs, in two widely separated geographic locations, at the same time.

    Born on Oct. 21, 1950, Challenger’s mission specialist Ronald McNair, the second African-American astronaut, with a Ph.D. in physics, would be 64 years old if he had not perished in the space shuttle explosion. If Ronald (l) were still alive today, he would look just like this pic of his brother, Carl (r).

    Yes, the late Ronald McNair looked a lot like his brother, Carl, as many siblings do (but they’re still easy to tell apart, as Carl has an obvious gap in his front teeth that Ronald didn’t). And this proves what, exactly? It might be a curiosity if there were no record of the existence of “Carl McNair” until after the Challenger explosion, but that isn’t the case. Are we supposed to believe that Ronald secretly took over his brother’s identity after the Challenger “accident” and somehow engineered the disappearance of the real Carl? Of course, the real point of this comparison is that the creators of this conspiracy theory couldn’t find a similarly named doppelgänger for Ronald McNair other than his own brother.

    Another Challenger mission specialist, Ellison Onizuka, the first Japanese-American astronaut, also has a lookalike brother named Claude. Born on June 24, 1946 in Hawaii, Ellison would be 68 years old today if he had not died in the Challenger explosion. If Ellison were still alive, he would look just like this pic of his younger brother Claude — same eyebrows, same eyes, same crow’s feet wrinkles, same nose, even the same hair-parting.

    Again, the shocking revelation that someone looked a lot like his brother. And again, the creators of this theory couldn’t find a similarly named doppelgänger for one of the Challenger astronauts other than his own brother.

    And now we pause for a pertinent question: Why has Gregory Jarvis been completely skipped over in this accounting of dead Challenger astronauts who are seemingly carrying on today as if nothing had ever happened to them? The simple answer is that it’s because someone couldn’t find any online photographs of another Gregory Jarvis who credibly resembles payload specialist Gregory Jarvis.

    Born on April 5, 1949, Challenger mission specialist Judith Arlene Resnik, with a Ph.D. in electrical engineering, was the first Jewish American astronaut to go into space and the second female American astronaut. She would be 66 years old today if she had not died in the explosion.

    If she were alive today, it is not difficult to imagine that after 29 years, astronaut Judith Resnik would look like Arthur Liman Professor of Law Judith Resnik at Yale Law School — dark curly hair, dark eyes, same eyebrow shape, same lines on both sides of the face extending up from the jaw.

    Nobody familiar with either person would confuse these two Judith Resniks with each other, as they have very different facial structures. And while Judith Resnik the electrical engineer was engaged in work and study at RCA, NIH, Xerox, and NASA in the 1970s and 80s, Judith Resnik the lawyer was teaching law school classes at Yale and USC. How someone could have been simultaneously (not to mention secretly) holding down two completely disparate jobs at opposite ends of the country remains unexplained.

    Born on Sept. 2, 1948, Sharon Christa McAuliffe was a social studies teacher at Concord High School in New Hampshire when she was selected from more than 11,000 applicants to participate in the NASA Teacher in Space Project. If Challenger had not exploded, she would be the first teacher in space. If she had not died in the Challenger disaster, McAuliffe would be 66 years old today.

    Well, there’s a Sharon A. McAuliffe, an adjunct professor at Syracuse University College of Law, who kinda looks like an older astronaut McAuliffe, factoring in the 30 years timelapse. Look at the cowlick of hair, sweeping from the center of their hairlines to the left side of their foreheads.

    Same problems: These two Sharon McAuliffes don’t really look all that much alike, and while Christa McAuliffe (she went by her middle name rather than “Sharon”) the schoolteacher was obtaining degrees in education from Framingham State College (Massachusetts) and Bowie State University (Maryland), teaching social studies at Concord High School (New Hampshire), and training with NASA, Sharon McAuliffe the lawyer was attending Syracuse University and working for an accounting firm in Syracuse (New York).

    This conspiracy narrative concludes by claiming that there are no records in the Social Security Death Index (SSDI) for any of the seven Challenger astronauts:

    There is no Social Security Death Index for all 7 Challenger crew members. As far as Social Security is concerned, Francis Richard Scobee, Michael J. Smith, Ronald McNair, Ellison Onizuka, Judith Resnik, Greg Jarvis, and Sharon Christa McAuliffe are still alive.
  • kairos



    The truth is out there.

  • MrRoboto

    well all that challenger stuff is interesting. maybe quantum entaglement works for people too. haha

    my fav FE vids are not the cgi models showing how it could function and answering most of the RE ppls questions but the ones where people stop being arm chair scientists and get off their butts and do some experiments. at least they are trying which is more than 100% of the name-callers here. those experiments dont go far enough and leave too much wiggle room imho.

    and yeah NASA hasnt helped with their fake pics and fake vids. their reasoning is irrelevent, you dont copy/paste cloud formations all over an official satellite image, or enlarge contintents to take more of the globe, thats unjustifiable. and at least some of the onboard ISS videos are digitally modified (video equivalent of photoshop) and some have obviously been taken from a non-ISS location.

    of course none of that means flat earth, and flat earth doesnt mean..God. FE could mean any number of things if it were true.

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