It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened 11530 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  TonusOH

  Thisismein1972: Is Lloyd that up on himself that he actually thought people would just pay up?

  He probably figured that it was worth a shot, and it also serves as proof that he was 'taking legal action.' If he spoke to a lawyer in Croatia and explained his issues, the lawyer (if he's not just an ambulance chaser) would inform him that what he wants cannot be done. Or (if he is an ambulance chaser) he might offer to send demand letters in the hopes that someone would pay up and validate his complaints, and file a criminal suit.

  Another option is that he explained that what Evans wanted was folly, but Evans insisted on taking action and the lawyer figured that a paycheck was a paycheck. And if you have an unreasonable client who pays on time, why turn down easy money?
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  Journeyman

  Another option is that he explained that what Evans wanted was folly, but Evans insisted on taking action ... And if you have an unreasonable client who pays on time, why turn down easy money?

  As the old saying goes, "a fool and his money are soon parted" - especially if they are narcissistic and the money is being spent for self-justification.
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  Las Malvinas son Argentinas

  Well well well, I'd say he's bleeding Patreons again.

  2020 - 2021 Lloyd doesn’t exist anymore. This isn’t the same man who was on the Leah Remini show or made documentaries like the Bethel rescue one in Germany.
  

  What is left is an embittered and older man going though a mid life crisis and separation from his wife who lost his retirement plan and is fighting tooth and nail to reestablish it.

  The problem for him is that other activists like Wynne and Nilsen are actually on the front lines and doing the work in courtrooms, including the Norway case. 2021 Lloyd would have had Nilsen, Wynne, O’Donnell, Ortiz and Silvio on for a livestream about the Norway case that paid him handsomely for the work of others.

  When or if he gets down the the business of another documentary style video, he’s reaching into his own replenished funds and thinking “Do I have to do this?”. If Nilsen would work with him, it would have been an easy task to go to Norway and make one about the entire case. But he’s persona non grata nearly everywhere.

  He really doesn’t want to. He’d rather continue the status quo and just make rebuttal videos or answer voicemails, some of which may just be plants in order for him to talk about something he wants to talk about.

  Even last year Jabba the Hutt would gain up to 10 patrons in between EOM drops. The fact they are still dropping makes a good case that he has exhausted his donation pool and manipulated many who weren’t inclined to donate into doing so because he threatened to leave.

  It’s all on auto-correct now. Still too early for another begging video but that seems to be his get out of jail free card in his own mind. I doubt we’ll see anything huge out of him until he makes another one of those.

  Sooner or later the critical thinking questions need to be asked: why is his support always fluctuating? As with their escape from WT doctrine, they need to question the methods of this clown who caught them on the way out for some more money.
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  Journeyman

  The fact they are still dropping makes a good case that he has exhausted his donation pool and manipulated many who weren’t inclined to donate into doing so because he threatened to leave.

  Several who commented on his begging video stated that they would donate to him even though they could barely afford to do so. I really hope those patrons especially save their money for their own needs, not to prop up a lazy grifter.

  I notice that his numbers have dropped another one from 562 to 561 since Thisismein1972 posted 9 hours ago.

  I also see that last week he cancelled the promised monthly Zoom call for his second-highest tier of patrons, seemingly with the excuse that he was still in process of moving from 'Ramacro'.

  Not being a member (naturally) I can't see the rest of what he wrote, nor what the 4 comments in response were. But if he has not rescheduled that monthly Zoom call then that's already a promise broken, and not just for the lowest tier payers but ones who are paying him more than £21.50 a month (about €25 or $27)!

  
  
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  Simon

  Is Lloyd that up on himself that he actually thought people would just pay up? It baffles me that Lloyd can actually think in such a way.

  He probably believes that his past behavior of bullying people into silence / grabbing what isn't his, can still work. Of course it can't anymore because the minute he threatens one person, everyone will band together and stand up against him.

  He’s so deluded that he went to the nearest law firm in an impoverished area in southern Croatia thinking it would work solely because he’s so certain that it would.

  Yeah, the picture he tries to paint is that he's pursuing multiple international defendants and will spare no expense to bring them to justice.

  The reality is that he went to the very closest law firm in the nearest town.

  He's cheap, and it's all for show. There is no other purpose to his "legal action" than to pretend there really is one. He was hoping he'd be lucky and maybe one or two might just pay up.

  But why should anyone do that. Why would anyone fear Lloyd anymore?

  The only people who have the resources to bring defamation cases like he talks about are footballers wives and celebrities. He might fancy himself as a celebrity, but he isn't one, and he's not got the finances needed to do what he talks about.
  
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  Las Malvinas son Argentinas

  Why would anyone fear Lloyd anymore?

  This is what happens when bullies are exposed. They cry the loudest about being bullied or wronged themselves, conveniently ignoring the trail of destruction they themselves have paved. Being feared was what created this artificial sense of empowerment and they whine like the little bitches they are when they lose their power and control.

  He really wants out of exJW content because no one fears him and only a relatively small segment actually respects him anymore. His tweets are often ignored and he’s stuck regurgitating the same shit because no one wants to work with him anymore. It’s been brought up by him in his videos that he felt he couldn’t or shouldn’t do this when huge segments of the population disrespect him. But he’s stuck doing this for monetary reasons and he’s always going to be associated with prostitutes, frivolous lawsuits and a huge lack of credibility. He expected all this to disappear by now but it’s not. He even whined about it on his video about how all media opportunities for him are cancelled due to complaints. They don’t cancel him due to some crazed accusations. They actually looked at the evidence and didn’t want that asshole on their show.
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  Thisismein1972

  It’s been brought up by him in his videos that he felt he couldn’t or shouldn’t do this when huge segments of the population disrespect him.

  There is a paradigm shift happening, not just in exJW world, but the whole of society. There is an air of panic amongst those who think they have power over us, we are seeing things ramp up to the max. SJW'S (social justice warriors) were all the rage when Lloyd first showed his face, this was then segmented into BLM, ANTIFA, and all the other NGO/civil society movements (all funded by the same select billionaires.)

  Then came the coof, which had an effect on the world that has not been seen since WW2, now though, thankfully, people are beginning to open their eyes to what is really happening, and are questioning whether politicians really do have our best interests at heart.

  Lloyd is a product of the last ten years. Thankfully, there is a growing low tolerance for his previous social justice cult-like behavior.

  Isn't it an odd coincidence that SJW is almost similar to JW?
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  Diogenesister

  LMsA 2021 Lloyd would have had Nilsen, Wynne, O’Donnell, Ortiz and Silvio on for a livestream about the Norway case that paid him handsomely for the work of others.

  And the more hard work involved, the more gravitas the project had....the more cash people would throw at him during the livestream. Sickening.

  He’d rather continue the status quo and just make rebuttal videos or answer voicemails, some of which may just be plants in order for him to talk about something he wants to talk about.

  Questions from Readers?😜
  
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  TonusOH

  Simon: He probably believes that his past behavior of bullying people into silence / grabbing what isn't his, can still work.

  It's all he knows. Even his "woe is me" schtick is meant to galvanize support against his critics. If he isn't trying to bully people directly, he is trying to get others to do it for him. The problem is two-fold: not only are there fewer people willing to defend him, some of the ones that do are confronted with the evidence, and realize that they cannot support him anymore. Sending his followers after someone now carries the risk that they will "switch sides." At the very least, it means one less person giving him money.

  For all of his cries of defamation campaigns and false accusations, the evidence being presented to those people is his own words. And if they're not convinced that the letters he wrote or posts he made are legit, there's still the livestream video. So, I would recommend that he keep sending his supporters out to confront his critics; it's a great way to free them from his influence.
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  Thisismein1972

  As far as I am aware he had all of two people supporting him now, KitKat, who also goes by a few other handles on Twitter and exJWMichael, who could very well be Lloyd himself. Remember back in 2014 where he had a whole army of people who would be ready in the wings to fight back against the apostates.

  He has zero people to support him now, and when one pops up out of the woodwork, they very quickly scarper away. There is now more of us, and that is entirely down to his behavior towards even those who once would support him.