It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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  • 144thousand_and_one
    144thousand_and_one

    There was a shakedown letter from a lawyer with the threat of a lawsuit, it seemed like they hoped people would just pay some money but they couldn't even put any effort into responding to enquiries.

    Unless and until someone is served papers, there isn't any lawsuit.

    The lawsuit can be filed but not served, so technically, a lawsuit could exist. But until the service of process happens, effectively there is no lawsuit, as the service is necessary for the court to obtain jurisdiction over the defendants. Additionally, serving the defendants in this situation is not as simple as hiring a process server to serve them. It will require lawyers (and payment of lawyer fees) in every country where a defendant resides, as well as a thorough analysis of treaties that may exist between the countries governing the exercise of jurisdiction by Croatian courts in the other countries as well as an analysis of the relevant laws in of each of the countries where a defendant resides. This would be a very expensive feat to pull off, and based on the publicly available financial statements relating to his business that I was able to observe online, I don't believe that he has anywhere near the financial resources necessary to pull that off.

    I have no knowledge whatsoever of Croatian law, but I doubt that Croatian courts will allow a lawsuit to sit without being served. There is likely a time limit on service that will result in dismissal of the lawsuit if the papers are not served within the required time.

  • Thisismein1972
    Thisismein1972

    Is Lloyd that up on himself that he actually thought people would just pay up? It baffles me that Lloyd can actually think in such a way.

  • Las Malvinas son Argentinas
    Las Malvinas son Argentinas
    But until the service of process happens, effectively there is no lawsuit, as the service is necessary for the court to obtain jurisdiction over the defendants.
    Thank you! This is in line with what many here have been saying for months. Lloyd is continually gaslighting the community over this with accusations of criminal activity towards the M7 and others. Honestly he’d have been better off just keeping to the vague “defamation” term he’s been floating about. There’s going to be nothing vague about this case when it is thrown out. It’ll be interesting to see how he pivots from a dismissed lawsuit.
    It will require lawyers (and payment of lawyer fees) in every country where a defendant resides, as well as a thorough analysis of treaties that may exist between the countries governing the exercise of jurisdiction by Croatian courts in the other countries as well as an analysis of the relevant laws in of each of the countries where a defendant resides.
    This really drills down deep into what is the meat of the issue. If he were serious about this lawsuit and the “defamation” he’d retain counsel in the relevant countries. The easiest place for him to do so would be the UK due to his citizenship and the libel laws there. But the problem for him is that the two UK “defendants” are the Lathams, who have done little more than comment on information either handed to them or commented on by Lloyd himself. Since he did not specify the charges as promised, I would have to speculate that he felt Marc defamed him by handing the Marko file over to the police and making a video informing the public what he just did. Lloyd had even tweeted that if someone had information relating to CSA, they were obligated to inform the police.

    Now imagine a bleached blonde Lloyd in a UK courtroom with Marc trying to explain how he defamed him. It’s absolutely insane.

    Suing 7 non-Croatian citizen/residents in what amounts to the butthole of Croatia in Sisak is akin to asking the sheriff from the Dukes of Hazzard to serve Putin with an arrest warrant.
  • 144thousand_and_one
    144thousand_and_one
    If he were serious about this lawsuit and the “defamation” he’d retain counsel in the relevant countries. The easiest place for him to do so would be the UK due to his citizenship and the libel laws there. But the problem for him is that the two UK “defendants” are the Lathams, who have done little more than comment on information either handed to them or commented on by Lloyd himself.

    In the UK, he has another problem. British courts require that plaintiffs pay a deposit to the court as "security for costs." This is required for the protection of defendants, because the plaintiff is liable for the defendant's legal fees if Plaintiff does not win the lawsuit. Additionally, UK barristers are extremely expensive. I had a situation years ago where I had to hire a barrister in the UK, and it was very expensive compared to the price of a US lawyer.

    Suing 7 non-Croatian citizen/residents in what amounts to the butthole of Croatia in Sisak is akin to asking the sheriff from the Dukes of Hazzard to serve Putin with an arrest warrant.

    I believe that Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane has a better chance of arresting Putin than SlobLloyd's chances of prevailing in a lawsuit for defamation in this situation. SlobLloyd does bear some resemblance to Boss Hawg, but the actor who played that part was better-looking than SlobLloyd.



  • ExBethelitenowPIMA
    ExBethelitenowPIMA

    From now on any legal threat will hold zero weight

    Lloyd has often threatened with legal stuff and now he has completely lost any power he thought he had

  • Las Malvinas son Argentinas
    Las Malvinas son Argentinas
    In the UK, he has another problem. British courts require that plaintiffs pay a deposit to the court as "security for costs."

    This is why the prospect of a man who is almost solely dependent upon donations suing people in other countries is the next level of dumbfuckery. He’s so deluded that he went to the nearest law firm in an impoverished area in southern Croatia thinking it would work solely because he’s so certain that it would.

    When he announced his lawsuit a year ago he made the bold prediction that the case was such a slam dunk he couldn’t see why the court wouldn’t act, and quickly. We’re going on a year now. What a dipshit.

    Even Meghan Markle doesn’t sue 7 random people in 4 different countries. Lawyers don’t work on contingencies, especially when the likelihood of winning and actually collecting damages is so low. The money is due up front and we’re talking tens of thousands of dollars/euros and that is just to get started. He doesn’t have the money to attempt any serious litigation.

    It’s a safe bet he’s already written Novosel a few “Dijana style” emails complaining about the slowness of the case and asking why this or that hasn’t happened yet.

    “Mr Novosel, so you are admitting that your law firm could be moving faster on this case. I’ve apologised for my late payment but your firm has been criminally negligent in pursuing this case per my express instructions. I’m afraid I am going to have to report you to the Southern Croatia Legal Assocition for fraud and dereliction of duties. I’m also CCing Ricky Gervais.”

  • Journeyman
    Journeyman
    It’s a safe bet he’s already written Novosel a few “Dijana style” emails complaining about the slowness of the case and asking why this or that hasn’t happened yet.

    The idea of LE trying to bully and intimidate a firm of lawyers is hilarious, but would be true to type.

    If there's one group of people it's never a good idea to bully and annoy, it's lawyers! (Along with cops and the military, of course)

  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister
    144,000_and_oneAdditionally, serving the defendants in this situation is not as simple as hiring a process server to serve them. It will require lawyers (and payment of lawyer fees) in every country where a defendant resides, as well as a thorough analysis of treaties that may exist between the countries governing the exercise of jurisdiction by Croatian courts in the other countries as well as an analysis of the relevant laws in of each of the countries where a defendant resides. This would be a very expensive feat to pull off, and based on the publicly available financial statements relating to his business that I was able to observe online, I don't believe that he has anywhere near the financial resources necessary to pull that off.

    Exactly, to pull that sort of stunt off in the UK he'd need to hire solicitors and a KC(s) with expertise in both UK and Croatian law, (as you say) the various treaties & agreements they have between both countries and the emerging and probably fairly specialised legal knowledge around digital media.

    You'd have to shit gold bricks to pay for that little lot in one country, let alone four or whatever it is.

    I actually think Marc/Cora and Kim have a far better chance of suing him for calling them criminal liars all over social media (& I'm pretty certain on at least one relevent occasion when he was on UK soil).

  • Thisismein1972
    Thisismein1972

    Well well well, I'd say he's bleeding Patreons again.


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    was a new boy

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