I haven't finished watching the VAH video but want to note here some of the comments made by Tom/Fairytale, for the record. Particularly because in 2017 he was very forward in suggesting that LE was a pedo and still continues with that idea to this day. Yet Lloyd has not listed him as one of the magnificent 7 and there appears to be good reason why.
Tom says that his father calls in to see him every couple of months and loves to tell him stories of something that they've been right about. One time, they were talking about JWs and child abuse.
"The number one apostate in your world is a child abuser" (his father told him) and this was years and immediately I knew who he was talking about, immediately I knew it was true. And that means, I thought about it a couple of days what that means.
My dad is on the district Committee where he gives talks at the summer conventions. He knows the DO's and that means that the Watchtower society knows that, I am not going to say his name, MaoMan is a CSA abuser and that they have told the Elders, at least all around the Nation of America, they have told the Elders that the big apostate who's on Youtube is a df'd child abuser, which is what my Dad told me and I knew it was true and I couldn't tell him it was wrong. I knew it was true.
I think I told you guys a story or Joel told you guys a story about I had been very harshly critical of Lloyd back in 2017 and part of that had been mum was very ill, I was very upset at that time. I was a little bit off centre at that time because of how upset I was and I really lace into Lloyd because I had just had enough he got, from someone who was an ex friend of mine, and he got my last and he went with it and he called my parents house and my mother picked up the phone and he pretended, what she told me, a man with a British accent said that he was a lawyer and he was calling about collections. That he needed to know their bank information, where he could see about the title to their house because all of that was going to be claimed in recompense for my criticisms of my online. He was going to collect damages from them and my mum, my mum is not a stupid woman and my mum says 'I don't think so' and she said 'I don't know who you are but don't call again, I have nothing to do with my adult son and he got, this is how my dad described it to me because he was on, my mum had it on speaker phone and my father was down the hallway, in his office and Lloyd screamed so loud at my mother that he heard it half way across the house and he described it as demonic and when I was listening to him that was another thing I couldn't disagree with and so my dad was two for two on that one.
Anyway, there really is no point to this story other than it's just another piece of the puzzle that for me, it is a giant red flag that Lloyd has reacted so viserally (?) to the suggestion that something happened in 2008 which he assured us nothing does but in my experience and I will tell you that my father and my grandfather were both Elders and I have been a family of Elders for a long time. Elders cover for each other. When an Elder gets df'd, when an Elder gets removed, it's bad, something bad happened and for an Elder to get removed when his dad is an Elder that is trying to cover it up for him, it's, it's a little more than chat rooms. He did something than being in a chat room and his wife found out about it and I say this because in our congregation there were Elders that did similar things like being caught for chat rooms or being caught flirting with their secretary or something like that or even committing fornication. They didn't get removed and they certainly didn't flee the country and change their screen name and all of this and start using alias.
I do understand people, I have a big question around Marko, a big question around the leaked emails, but I don't think they should be memory hold and I also don't know what the police are doing with that information but I want to say that it is a very bad precedent to be set for people to come into possession of evidence, be it circumstantial or otherwise, turn it over to police and then ex JWs are criticsing them for doing that and it's like, wait a minute, isn't that what you always said was the problem with JWs is that they didn't do that. The Watchtower said where's your two witnesses well there's never two witnesses, there never will be two witnesses, it's not the nature of that sort of crime and so I wanted to set the record straight that I think it is the utmost hypocrysy for people to say well you don't have video tape or something of Lloyd doing these things, woops, I said his name, I'm talking about a different Lloyd by the way, ... but we talked about how the most hilarious moment in ex Jw history was when Lloyd said 'What, what'.
To me the darkest moment in exJw history is when and I will never forget this day, was that 24 hour period of January 31st to February 1st and I was there and I saw it with my own eyes, when Kim Silvio had posted on Reddit her statement, just making people aware of what this character was doing with activists donations and seeing how this had been removed by the moderators ...a post "all hail Lloyd Evans, King of the exJws" and I said 'this is the darkest moment of ex JW history.
