Scooby, I know you were inactive. But are you saying that you are still a Witness and you're gay? How can that ever be reconciled? Sadly, you make like JW's but if they knew you were gay, you KNOW they wouldn't like you. They'd df you. I feel very bad for you, my friend. And I am serious about that.
...but I happen to like the JWs/WT.....
Jesus said he wanted mercy not sacrifice:
Mercy = life
Sacrifice = death.
Acts is a suggestion to the non jews to not eat blood cos it might make their jewish buddies feel uncomfortable.
What is there to understand?
You would let yourself, a friend or a relative die needlessly because a bunch of old men are too scared and/or stubborn to admit they were wrong?
PurpleV, Ask the elderly in the congregation? From what I saw at the Memorial, and more recently at the district convention, there they were. At the local KH, people I remember as a kid, now well old in their 70's and 80's and even 90's. You know what, I didn't see them complaining that the new system hadn't arrived in 1975 or any time since, what I did see was older faithful brothers and sisters still there. Funny you should bring the issue up. My sister who's been inactive far longer than me and is alot more critical said to me after the Memorial, "I almost hope that the new system will come soon for those ones who have served so faithfully for all this time" She remebered like me all those older ones that still were there. Thanks for reminding me.
You're not all the big bad apostates I imagined you were standing outside conventions with flipcharts, you're people with feelings and emotions.
Well, I for one will take that as a compliment! Scooby, you get points for starting a truly interesting thread today, one that everyone has an opinion on! Look, it took me 15 years to leave. First I saw some things that made me uncomfortable, then I was touched personally on the child abuse issue by what happened to Big Tex, then I endured a whole lot of apathy, lack of love and hypocrisy on me, and then it touched my children. THAT made me leave.
You have to find your own trigger, "last straw," or good reason to leave. Some people never do. They can rationalize the child abuse problem, the UN scandal, the chronology and date issue, and live a perfectly happy and content life. Well, good for them. That isn't good enough for me. I want TRUTH. I want to know that the organization I associate with is doing their very best, and I know for a fact that the JW organization is NOT. They are simply another two-bit fundamentalist corporation trying to keep up their image any way they can. Your responsibility is to examine your conscience and see if you can live with that, if you can sit in that building and approve of ALL of their actions and proudly call yourself a Jehovah's Witness.
I know a lot of really wonderful people who are sincere and caring Jehovah's Witnesses -- and Baptists, Wiccans, Jews and Muslims. I think by your statement that I quoted above you are showing that you are opening your eyes and seeing that too. Give it some time, and see where you want to be and, more importantly, what kind of person you want to be when you get old. Do you want to look back with regret on missed opportunities, or association with a religion that bears bloodguilt for its treatment of children, the elderly, and women? You won't be able to take back those years. And you know in your heart that Armageddon will not be arriving in accordance with whatever timetable the GB is using right now.
Whatever you decide, I wish you well.
Okay, I'm seriously slammed at work tonight but I've been peeking in on this thread. Don't tell my boss!
I stopped going to meetings in 1989. I didn't go back (except for a handful of times to help Nina with the babies) but I kept the Witness mindset for years. I didn't really make a break and take a stand until 1999. So for 10 years I was stuck between not going to meetings but keeping many (but not all) of the teachings. If this board had been around then, and I had wandered on here a lot of folks would probably have thought me an idiot. And maybe I was, but I had to do things in my own speed. I had to make a very difficult choice in my own way.
I never wanted to leave, but I did because it was clear that I didn't belong there. For a long time I believed what the elders told, that I was the only one who felt that way, and how I felt was all my fault, i.e. I lacked faith. That is why I've always viewed this board as a Godsend because it's helped me realize that what they said was a lie. There are lots of people who felt just as I did.
And so that is how I look at Scooby. I see myself not that long ago. I see someone who has to make a choice between what he wants and what he has, and that's never an easy choice. Ultimately he's going to do what he feels he needs to, whether that is to return or stay out, but at the end of the day, whatever he chooses needs to be because its his decision and on his timetable, not ours.
Just my thought.
Minimus....... how can being gay and JW ever be reconciled|? Oh my, that would take a whole 'nother thread!!
Well my stradegy has been for the last 10-15 years to stay away, attend the Memorial, conventions and odd meeting. I'm viewed as inactive of course. I've given up any relationships I've had in the mean time, but I'm not alone, I'm lucky to have such a loving family with nieces and nephews., and a great brother and sister. And my mum is just out of this world.
At night I can go out with my mates, and many good friends who know the "whole situation" about me, that is truly a godsend. They don't judge, only accept me for what I am. Going back (or F--King off back, as someone helpfully said!) to the KH would be more difficult for me at this time, though I don't rule it out. I've messed up once, and I don't want to go back and do it a second time. Have I lived in and out? Yes I have. Gawd knows sometimes my next move. But I will stick with my original post thread title. Does that make sense??
BigTex/Nina.....can I come for tea and crumpets!!! ha ha! Cruzan, PurpleV,
whatever Scooby...stop wanking everyone else off and get yourself a life. If you have one then cherish it and stop longing for a group of people that would never accept you...sheesh....do we need to get out the Comfy Chair?.......
can I come for tea and crumpets!!!
Well actually I'm having a nice cup of Typhoo at the moment and Nina knows a place where they make excellent scones. So how about that instead?
But no smoking please!
do we need to get out the Comfy Chair?.......
Now THAT's funny.
NOT . . . the . . . COMFY CHAIR!!!! *sound of screams in background*
Cardinal Fang? CARDINAL FANG!!!