by alice.in.wonderland 209 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse
Maybe the 3 or 4 different people that post as Alice can identify themselves when they sign in, just as a courtesy.
I notice that when you are quoting in defense of free speech, you haven't quoted the Watchtower, but a worldly movie.
Do you overlords know that you have seen an R rated movie?
Now that we're all in agreement, what we have here can be used for something other than to bicker.
My position isn't one of insensitivity toward anyone that claims they were abused, but how it gets back to Jehovah's Witnesses as an organization that acts as a protective agent toward child neglect, abuse. The “good of the Universal Church had to be considered in the final decision" as an official statement has been repeated by clergy up to and including the Pope, but this rhetoric has only been picked up and applied to Jehovah's Witnesses by ex-JWs. Mischievous persons have wedged their way into many profit and non-profit organizations and stirred up trouble. This information here is in compliance with RAINN:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandated_reporter
In many U.S. states and Australia, mandated reporters are professionals who, in the ordinary course of their work and because they have regular contact with children, disabled persons, senior citizens, or other identified vulnerable populations, are required to report (or cause a report to be made) whenever financial, physical, sexual or other types of abuse has been observed or is suspected, or when there is evidence of neglect, knowledge of an incident, or an imminent risk of serious harm. For example, in South Australia, a school teacher must report a child attending school seeming malnourished or presenting with bruising, complaining of neglect or otherwise demonstrating neglect or abuse at home, to child welfare authorities.
These professionals can be held liable by both the civil and criminal legal systems for intentionally failing to make a report but their name can also be said unidentified. Mandated reporters also include persons who have assumed full or intermittent responsibility for the care or custody of a child, dependent adult, or elder, whether or not they are compensated for their services. RAINN maintains a database of mandatory reporting regulations regarding children and the elderly by state, including who is required to report, standards of knowledge, definitions of a victim, to whom the report must be made, information required in the report, and regulations regarding timing and other procedures at http://www.rainn.org/public-policy/legal-resources/mandatory-reporting-database/
Abuse occurs where a victim has suffered physical injury inflicted other than by accidental means, has injuries, or is in a condition resulting from mistreatment, such as malnutrition, sexual molestation or exploitation, deprivation of necessities, emotional abuse or cruelty.
Neglect may be defined as abandonment, denial of proper care and attention physically, emotionally, or morally, or living under conditions, circumstances or associations injurious to well-being.
Typically, minimum requirements for what must be reported include:
Law enforcement or public health agencies are responsible for immediately evaluating and classifying all reports of suspected abuse, neglect, or imminent risk. When reports contain sufficient information to warrant an investigation, authorities must make efforts within a reasonable time frame to begin an effective investigation, often within hours, particularly when there is an imminent risk of physical harm or another emergency; investigations must also be completed within a reasonable or specified time frame. The investigation also must also include a determination of whether the report was actually warranted or if it was unfounded.
Alice thanks for sharing your story. I can empathize with you over your father's position in your family and your complicated relationship with him. So hugs to you.
When you first joined I found your posts so very difficult to understand and simply gave up, leaving it to others, who seemed to understand what you were saying, to enter discussions with you. But your thread here clarifies your take on the WTS enormously. And whats more I think you have changed a lot as you point out on page 4, post 854- I can understand you more at any rate
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The pic was in response to Shamus's profanity and a post a lot like the one he posted in this thread:
So that makes it ok in your opinion?
Grow up and take responsibility for your own actions. This isn't the first time you have blamed other people for your own bad behaviour.
Your family's association with this cult doesn't seem to have made better people out of any of them.
Come and join us Apostates my dear. I throw back the sheets and invite you in.
Alice, in your OP you say that in the 1st incident, your elder dad had to step down, which is safe to assume wasn't without inquiry. In the incident reported by your sister clearly the men in suits were aware of what was going on and clearly coerced willing participation of your dad who in turn coerced you. In both cases the organization had knowledge of said incidents and not only refused to act but actively sought to sweep the incident under the carpet. It's clear that this isn't an isolated incident that fell thru the cracks, as many others have and can attest to. It seems logical to conclude that the organization is culpable on some level.
alice said "Jehovah's Witnesses as an organization (Watchtower!) that acts as a protective agent toward child neglect, abuse."..... HYPOCRISY IS ALIVE!!!
TELL that to the J.W. kids in my congregation. There are no members between 16 and 30 in my congregation. Why so? They saw the fire. From elder families to the regular families they left.
As one said, when the house is on fire, get out for you safety. Only one severely blinded by Watchtower could not this truth.
Alice is the incredible J.W. fan. of Watchtower.
Watchtower ignorantly teaches and promotes harmful disfellowshipping, harmful shunning, abuse & injustices, false prophecies, misinterpretation, hypocrisy, harmful gossiping & meddling and many other harmful & hateful things.
Watchtower does not hesitate to crush and harass victims through legal means. Watchtower is using the world to the full, including politics.
You are alone. Watchtower is your false god.
But now really put them all away from you,
above is alices quote from her beloved scripture..................
why havent you left, that is how you can put us all away from you?
Okay, I haven't read all of this thread but I do think I should respond to a comment Alice Rachel made:
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The WTS has absolutely no such program in place. No background checks, no fingerprinting, no psychological testing to see if one is fit for ministry, no funds to help pay for therapy for victims of abuse. And most importantly, no public acknowledgement that the WTS even has a sexual abuse problem.
I like Ratzinger (Pope B16) because he has been the most active person in the Vatican, even before becoming Pope, to take charge of the abuse situation. Previously, abuse cases were handled locally by the various archbishops. Ratzinger changed things in 2002 so that all files came to him for review. He was shocked to receive 4,000+ files. He read each and every one of them and was a changed man. He declared that the filth in the Church would be eradicated and he has worked tirelessly to end the abuses.
The Catholic response to abuse in the ranks has been markedly different from the GB response to abuse in the WTS ranks. Thus, I can defend Ratzinger while at the same time condemning Jaracz.
Does that answer your question?
