by alice.in.wonderland 209 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse
"Alice; the vile filthy comments you directed to Mary earlier in the thread repulsed and disgusted me, sums up you and the R&F these days, pure hatred towards anything non JW, you people are welcome to each other in your shitty new system."
I think her intent is to invoke an emotional response. She has directed vile and filthy comments to me. I could also retrieve some things she said to debater.
Alice, shouldn't you be at your meeting right now?
The meeting is at 4:30 but today I'm having a party.
Can I come?
If you live in Houston, TX.
It already knows this, Dark.
It has been caught using other's personal info against them several times on this board.
I've been on the receiving end of attacks because of personal information I've posted on this site
I've learned that if you don't want it used against you, don't post it
Pretty simple. Personal attacks are cowardly. Many on this board have nothing else in their arsenal. That doesn't disqualify Alice, or anyone else, from voicing their opinion
Until the rules of the board change, of course
KK, I'm just gonna have a shower and a cup of coffee and I'll be right over.
"The WTS has absolutely no such program in place. No background checks, no fingerprinting, no psychological testing to see if one is fit for ministry, no funds to help pay for therapy for victims of abuse. And most importantly, no public acknowledgement that the WTS even has a sexual abuse problem."
There's not a formal arrangement in Jehovah's Organization where elders can abuse children unless they're his own. They don't teach Sunday school, the Watchtower Society doesn't own any schools where elders teach, they don't recruit young men to serve at an altar. The elders do not have open access to other people's children. The men that are appointed as elders have been in the congregation for some years before appointment. There's not a problem that has surfaced of any significance where a person should be subject to a criminal background check before being appointed as an elder. These days anyone can conduct a criminal check on someone at the touch of a button. If someone found any problems with any of the elders in their congregation on Intelius I'm sure that would change.
The incidents that have grabbed media attention contain some issues.
As I stated, mischievous persons have wedged their way into many profit and non-profit organizations and have stirred up trouble. This man here “McLean” was disfellowshipped. There's conflicting information in the initial public release here:
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=35566
According to US Marshals, McLean was a Ministerial Servant in the Jehovah's Witnesses and was utilizing his position of trust to commit sexual crimes against young girls - some no more than five years old.
As one victim's parents told AMW, they had no clue that an alleged sexual predator was amongst them -- even though church elders had prior knowledge of complaints against McLean from another congregation.
McLean was an experienced outdoorsman and would often take children on overnight camping trips. Police maintain that parents trusted him with their kids because of his almost "fanatical concern" for the kids' safety.
Authorities say that McLean was confronted a number of times over the years by those he molested, but Jehovah's Witnesses judicial committees require two witnesses to an event of molestation before taking any kind of disciplinary action. Detectives believe that by moving from one Kingdom Hall congregation to another, McLean was able to keep his crimes mostly hidden for 25 to 30 years, before finally being "outed" to the general public and "disfellowshipped", or expelled, from the religion.
Camping is not a congregation function. If a single man wanted to take my daughter camping without any other parents going, I would have told him NO. In fact I would ask what other children were going, contact their parents and tell them this is inappropriate. On one end, there's a parent (adult) that claims (they) had no clue that an alleged sexual predator was amongst them.
This man was single with no children. It's been stated he molested the same person over a number of years in another media release.
Before going to the authorities, it's best that there's incrementing evidence against a person so that there's a successful prosecution. Substantial evidence would be; more than one eye-witness, physical evidence or if the abuse is an on going matter (meaning a person knows the same thing is going to happen again).
In this situation, the criteria for substantial incrementing evidence has been met, however, victims with the cognition to tell the secular authorities about this long standing matter never did for a number of years, and what makes this situation less understandable, is if the victims told the elders, you can be assured they told their parents about the abuse; their parents knew about it.
In this story, there are adults (parents) involved that could have told the authorities, but didn't do so over a period of years. The fact that it is their children that are involved leaves some unanswered questions. Whatever the case, it's these children's parents that are just as liable for acting irresponsibly as the congregation elders. If it was my daughter, I could have trapped this man in his actions and seen to it that he was prosecuted with or without the elder's assistance, and upon prosecution the elders would be removed and possibly prosecuted.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^more bullshit Alice from the master bullshitter
There's not a formal arrangement in Jehovah's Organization where elders can abuse children unless they're his own. They don't teach Sunday school, the Watchtower Society doesn't own any schools where elders teach, they don't recruit young men to serve at an altar. The elders do not have open access to other people's children. The men that are appointed as elders have been in the congregation for some years before appointment. There's not a problem that has surfaced of any significance where a person should be subject to a criminal background check before being appointed as an elder.
WRONG. Again. Alice Rachel, elders and ministerial servants and pioneers go out in field service with young JWs. In particular, when young JWs use the summer to "temporary pioneer" as we used to call it, parents allow their children to go out in service with just about anyone in the KH to help them get their time in. Elders meet with teens and possibly "rebellious" younger ones to "counsel" them. Elders may work with young ones at Quick Builds or on KH special project days. Predatory JWs go door to door selling Watchtowers and the people they meet at the door could very well have children who would be at risk should they invite the predatory JW into the home. Also, my ex-husband, when he was a ministerial servant, conducted "Bible" studies with teens from the congregation in their own homes. My ex- is not a pedophile but if he had been, those boys would have been very vulnerable.
I don't know why you are burying your head in the sand. We all sin and fall short of the Glory of God. There are abusers everywhere and the KH is no exception.
