For those against gay marriage (page 13)

VoidEater

Summary time again: arguments against include:

It's the same as child rape. (I think we can ignore that one)

I tried gay sex a couple times and didn't like it. (PS - I tried to write with my left hand a couple times, and I didn't like that...)

The Bible Told Me So. (Tough luck for the Budhhists and anyone else that doesn't like my religion or my interpretation of the Bible)

I personally don't agree with it. (An honest answer that is appreciated - but perhaps not the strongest foundation to base law on?)

BurnTheShips

Void,

I believe Boswell's interpretation is skewed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelphopoiesis

That said, homosexuality has always been around, even if closeted.

The examples you cite supporting homosexual "marriage" are conspicious because they are the exception, and not the rule.

BTS

hamilcarr

Nice outline, VoidEater. Another neo-fundamentalist myth held up to the light and dispelled.

Low-Key Lysmith

Standup comedian Louis CK makes a great point:

**WARNING** Contains language that may not be appropriate for the workplace or for people who are offended by profanity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d63ClccjjE&feature=related

hamilcarr

The examples you cite supporting homosexual "marriage" are conspicious because they are the exception, and not the rule.

Blatantly incorrect.

Statement on Marriage and the Family from the American Anthropological Association.

"The results of more than a century of anthropological research on households, kinship relationships, and families, across cultures and through time, provide no support whatsoever for the view that either civilization or viable social orders depend upon marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution. Rather, anthropological research supports the conclusion that a vast array of family types, including families built upon same-sex partnerships, can contribute to stable and humane societies.
The Executive Board of the American Anthropological Association strongly opposes a constitutional amendment limiting marriage to heterosexual couples."

BurnTheShips

Blatantly incorrect.

That is a political opinion.

Neither is it a response.

BTS

Finally-Free

JeffT: I don't care what consenting adults do in private, but the question isn't about that, its about public policy. A lot is involved: tax deductions, inheritance rights, the right to refuse to testify in court; to name a few.

I don't care what consenting adults do in private either, but the latter part of your statement brings up something that's long been a concern for me.

I'm straight. I was married for over 16 years before I finally left. Most of the marriage was without intimacy. I eventually left after I had to drive myself to the ER because my spouse refused to. She was too busy watching TV. Why remain saddled with someone who simply is not there when you need them most? Now I'm alone, but at least I know where I stand.

It galls me that she can make a claim against my Canada Pension Plan benefits when I retire by virtue of the fact that we were roommates once, and that a good friend who does help me when I'm in need cannot. I also have a private pension plan I pay in to. After I die a spouse (if any) would be entitled to continue receiving 50% of it, a sibling 25% if there is no spouse, and a caregiving friend 0%. Personally, I believe that, since I'm paying for it, I should be able to designate a beneficiary of my own choosing without them being penalized on the basis of blood relationship or whether or not we ever had sex.

I have no opposition to gay marriage, but I believe that any "marriage" that assumes a lifelong commitment is obsolete. I'm in favour of shorter marriage contracts with definite expiry dates.

If 2 people truly love each other, they should have no aversion to renewing their vows every 5 years or so.

As it stands now, that piece of paper, for any kind of marriage, is too easy to get and too difficult and costly to dissolve. It probably creates more unnecessary hardships than it prevents.

W

Indo_Dude

Maybe some straight people might be afraid gay people could do marriage better than they could. In a 2006 study in Denmark (where gay marriage has been legal for the past 19 years) that was published in Psychology Today, the rate of homosexual divorces was 17 percent, while heterosexual divorce was more than double that, at 46 percent.

In fact Massachusetts which has had gay marriage for 4+ years now, still has the lowest divorce rate. Vermont and New Jersey also have had civil unions now. The Republic hasn't spun apart. Armeggedon hasn't erupted. Nothing really has changed, at all, in the slightest. So how about it you 'underminers of America' where is the proof?

Also, as has been studied in depth, atheists have the lowest divorce rates in America. Fundamentalist Christians, the highest or 2nd highest rates. Perhaps we should outlaw fundy Christians / bible beaters from getting married. That would slow down, or halt the 'collapse of the family unit' as so many of you fundies proclaim. Also, for all the bashers of the 'liberal Godless northeast', why is that they have the lowest divorce rate in the country, while those very red states in the south have the highest. In fact, Donald Hughes of the Reality of Divorce showed that 90% of divorces among born-again couples occur after they have been 'saved'.

Is it that fundie Christians are simply afraid that yet another group will demonstrate that they are 'better' at marriage than they are? They already have those Godless atheists doing much better than they do at marriage, having those damned homosexuals do better would be the straw that broke the camel's back.

**Statistics came from: http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm

hamilcarr

That is a political opinion.

No, it's science

About AAA

Founded in 1902, the American Anthropological Association (AAA) is the world's largest organization of individuals interested in anthropology. Although there were several other American anthropological societies in existence at the turn of the 20th century, this new, national organization was formed "to promote the science of anthropology, to stimulate and coordinate the efforts of American anthropologists, to foster local and other societies devoted to anthropology, to serve as a bond among American anthropologists and anthropologic[al] organizations present and prospective, and to publish and encourage the publication of matter pertaining to anthropology" (AAA Articles of Incorporation). At its incorporation, the Association also assumed responsibility for the American Anthropologist, which was originally begun in 1888 by the Anthropological Society of Washington (ASW). By 1905, the journal also served the American Ethnological Society, in addition to the AAA and ASW.
From an initial membership of 175, the AAA grew slowly during the first half of the 20th century. Annual meetings were held primarily in the Northeast and accommodated all attendees in a single room, the day-long affair concluding with a black tie dinner gala. Since 1950, its membership has increased dramatically, now averaging in excess of 10,000. Annual meetings draw more than 5,000 individuals, who attend over 300 sessions organized into a 5-day program.
The AAA has been a democratic organization since its beginning. Although Franz Boas had initially fought to restrict membership to an exclusive group of 40 "professional anthropologists," the AAA's first president. W. J. McGee, argued for a more inclusive membership embracing all those who expressed an interest in the discipline. McGee's vision still guides the Association today. Business affairs, likewise comprehensive with 24 Councillors selected from the membership, and Executive Committee of 9 in 1902, are now conducted by a 30-member Section Assembly representing each of the Association's constituent Sections, and a 15-member Executive Board. This increase in representation reflects the growing diversity of the discipline, which is viewed by many as a source of strength for the Association and for American anthropology as a whole. In Richard B. Woodbury's words, ". . .the AAA has remained the central society for the discipline, addressing with considerable success its increasingly varied interests and speaking for anthropology to other fields, the federal and state governments, and the public" (Encyclopedia of Cultural Anthropology, 1994).

You know more about anthropology than these experts? I'd like to hear your superior transcendental knowledge.

seektruth101

God Hates Gays And Im On his Side, Can you reproduce, thank you god you cant, you are all sick, and yes I have a phobia of you or any one like you. Next it will be ok to do the nasty with your dog or any pet because that sick tooooooo! SeekTruth

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