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Thirdwitness claims the requirements for associating NGOs changed over the years. He's ignoring one press release that's been posted here. Here's another from 1992. Notice the requirements explained in this press release:
"To be granted association with the DPI, NGO's must have national or international standing, support the Charter of the United Nations, have a broadly based membership and possess the resources necessary for effective outreach."
Guess what? Everyone is associated with some country as a citizen. You must follow the laws and guidelines. Sometimes you join a government program to obtain certain benefits. You may have to become a corporation of the government in which you live to gain certain benefits provided only to corporations. Some countries require religions to send in an application to the government to be recognized as a legal religion. When becoming a citizen of a country a person must swear to support the constitution of the country. Is this wrong? The WTS has never said that it was wrong so you cannot judge them based on that. What if the WTS has to agree to support the constitution of the country in order to be recognized as a legal religion? Would that be wrong to do? The UN is no different from the governments. It is an authority placed in its relative position by God because He has allowed the governments to form the UN and to wield a certain amount of authority. It is not a religious organization.
And why did JWs in Malawi not buy membership cards of the only permitted political party in Malawi? The Malawi Congress Party basically was Malawi and failure to purchase the card was viewed as a failure to support the country. Yet, the Witnesses felt they had a reason not to buy the cards because it conflicted with their religious views.
The Charter of the UN proposes that the UN is a means to achieve world peace. You, as a JW, don't have a problem with supporting that?
Thirdwitness:Guess what? Everyone is associated with some country as a citizen. You must follow the laws and guidelines. As long as they dont conflict with God's laws. Jeez, you of all people should be aware what the WTS says about this. :Sometimes you join a government program to obtain certain benefits. As long as they dont conflict with God's laws. :You may have to become a corporation of the government in which you live to gain certain benefits provided only to corporations. Some countries require religions to send in an application to the government to be recognized as a legal religion. This has nothing to do with what the WTS did. They applied for association with the UN/DPI. :When becoming a citizen of a country a person must swear to support the constitution of the country. Is this wrong? Only if it conflicts with God's laws. The WTS has never said that it was wrong so you cannot judge them based on that. What if the WTS has to agree to support the constitution of the country in order to be recognized as a legal religion? Would that be wrong to do? What on God's green earth are you smoking? : The UN is no different from the governments. It is an authority placed in its relative position by God because He has allowed the governments to form the UN and to wield a certain amount of authority. It is not a religious organization. According to this kind of ridiculous reasoning, you could say God approves of pedophiles, rapists, murderers and pedophile priests etc because he has allowed them to do such. I shake my head in disbelief at your ridiculous way of trying to justify what the WTS did in joining the UN/DPI. Simply unreal! You are totally brainwashed! They did not have to join the UN for any reason other than to use the library, which is just plain ridiculous. They had other libraries to use; they did not need the UN library. Tor
As respects the press release from 1992 by the UN perhaps this needs repeating:
A representative of the WTS tried to get in some certain part of the UN library facilities one day. He was told he couldn't get in unless he had an NGO pass. So they filled out the application and submitted the required information. They were then issued an NGO pass to access all the library facilities. They never signed any document saying they would agree to support the UN or even share the ideals of the UN charter. They did supply articles which they had written about the UN which was the only requirement stipulated on the application.
Every so often they filled out a form which told who would receive the cards or passes to get in the extensive library facilities and what fields they were intererested in. They also periodically supplied articles they had written about the UN. This of course was nothing new as the WT has always published articles about what the UN is doing and how they will not solve the problems of mankind but rather it is only God's kingdom that can do that.
Meanwhile, the UN released a brochure and press release saying among other things that NGOs agreed to support the UN. Then in 2001/2002 the UN began a new review process that required NGOs to agree to do things that the WTS had never agreed to do. When the WTS found out about the new criteria that had to be agreed to and that the UN was saying that NGOs must support the UN they basically said, 'Wait a minute. We did not agree to support the UN or its charter nor do we agree to do that now. Please remove us from your list of NGOs.'
It is quite simple.
What if the WTS has to agree to support the constitution of the country in order to be recognized as a legal religion? Would that be wrong to do?
Based on JW doctrine, and the way they interpret Jesus' words to be "no part of the world," your answer is...
YES!
Witnoid, you don't seem to know much about the JW faith these days.
It looks like Thewitless is grasping at...
Thirdwitniod, one simple question that you wont answer.
Is it ok to be formaly associated with the UN?
steve
I'll second that!
Steve's question again, in case TW misses it:
Is it ok to be formally associated with the UN?
I simply must post a monkey-see-monkey-do here.
TW answer the question...
Is it ok to be formally associated with the UN?
