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144,000 pagans or annointed
by JCISGOD98 incharles russell the first president of the watchtower believed and taught that the anointed ones, which are the 144,000 who go heaven, began to be chosen just as soon as the church began, and by the end of the first century most of them were chosen.
the watchtower of february 1, 1975, page 84 reiterated that jehovah god started selecting the 144,000 nineteen hundred years ago.
history tells us that this persecuted church continued for several centuries, so there were many years during which the true church existed and expanded.
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Organization non-members ARE approved by God
by YoursChelbie indoes the bible contain accounts of persons who, while not active members of "organized" religion have god's appoval?
if it does, this would contradict watchtower teaching, since they often claim that anyone who's not a baptized member of their organization will suffer destruction.
further they claim that only active members of their "organization" have god's approval.
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VIDEO - READ CAREFULLY
by Dia inhere is a written 'view' of the video - if you listen carefully, you will hear all the holes in it.. fyi - rodney starks few comments are in caps.
my comments are in [brackets].
(wts) 'dfing is a procedure which is laid down in the bible, whereby a person who sins very seriously against god and against the congregation and who refuses to repent, refuses to change, abandon the wrong way is informed that they're no longer a part of the christian congregation'.. (stark) "i don't know the last methodist who was disfellowshipped.
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'Harboring a criminal'
by Dia indo they not meet the definition?
it is a crime in itself.
what is the punishment?.
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GET MAD & STAY MAD!!!
by abbagail infinally got away from jw-com to visit silent lambs and just saw this below post.
it's stories like this that will keep us all fired up to write those letters!!!
the dim-wittedness of this jw woman with the pedophile husband is enough to make you get mad & stay mad!!!
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Confused
by AlphaPlus inthis is gonna take a while so bear with me .... i dunno where to start.
well i'm still a jw, still going to meetings etc although you do feel pretty bad sitting there knowing you'd like to be any place else.
like i've read from so many of you i've been the perfect jw kid excellent meeting attendence, good field service blah blah all that crap.
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What if the JW's lost 1/2 of their followers?
by Cappuccino OC inin my humbly opinion, the wts is afraid of loosing their uncommissioned & unsalaried "sales people".
the numbers haven't been realy rising except in economically disadvantaged countires, edc, also known as 3rd world countires.
the countries that report jw growth are the same ones that also report growth of the aids epidemic.
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The book that will bring Ethics to the GB.
by Bleep inthe governing body may be too old to teach sex education.
but they are wise in other matters.. i have made a new topic since i slaughtered the book in the last topic of raymond franz.
do not forget that he made a mistake in being a 100% governing body thinker.. no organization at its early stages can live up to jehovah's expectations and no one is perfect.. please list some good ideas, ethics that the governing body has done here.
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FINANCIAL DOOM & THE JUDGMENT OF JAH
by You Know inall the talk of late has been about the crisis on wall street, and indeed, throughout the entire global financial system.
the most recent scandal du jour and causality of the stock market slide is the gigantic media firm aol time/ warner.
http://www.nypost.com/business/45742.htm.