FINANCIAL DOOM & THE JUDGMENT OF JAH

by You Know 53 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • You Know
    You Know

    4 skins

    Also, I don't know what JBS or whom John McMannus is.

    JBS is the John Birch Society and Jonh Mcmannis is the current president. The JBS is the source of much of what you believe about the so-called money trust and the New World Order.

    Daniel's prophecies have little to do with the final conflagration.

    Daniel's prophecies have everything to do with the final war. Every prophecy in Daniel, except the 70 weeks prophecy, culminates in Jehovah's kingdom annihilating the last human governmental institution. That obviously hasn't happened yet.

    The words of the Master and his disciples hold little to suggest that Daniel's prophecies expand much beyond the first century.

    Not true. Jesus specifically referred to Daniel and urged the reader to have discernement into certain features of his prophecy that would impact those who are called to be holy ones in relation to God's kingdom. That fact that so many do not have such discernment doesn't negate Christ's words, it merely validates them.

    And there is little to evidence that a secondary set of "last days" exist outside the minds of commentators and little to evidence that there is a secondary "great tribulation".

    On the contrary. Daniel the 12 chapter situates the world's greatest time of trouble as occuring immediately before the earthly resurrection of the dead. Since there was no visible resurrection after the destruction of Jerusalem, the final fulfillment of the great tribulation is still in the future. Besides, Jesus said that the tribulation would be greater than any catastrophe that had ever occured or ever will occur. The Nazi holocaust was much worse than the the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman king of the north, again, showing that Jesus intended to convey the idea to his disciple of a much greater fulfillment .

    The words of God's messiah is suggesting that the "great distress" is great only in the sense of its Duration and commenced in the first century.

    Definitely not true. Jesus said that the presence of the Son of man would be just like the days of Noah. Noah's day was a relatively brief period in which the entire earth was purged of an evil civilization that refused to give heed to Noah's warning. Furthermore, Jesus plainly said that the entire world would suddenly be gripped with terror during the time of tribulation. That would logically extent far beyond the confines of tiny little Judah.

    So too with the "last days"; Peter claimed they commenced on the day of Pentecost. Mathew's gospel account, I believe, is important to get a grasp on the Revelation.

    In view of the fact that the long standing Jewish system of things was going to be destroyed before that generation passed away, the interval before its passing could properly be called the last days.

    There are no "signS"(plural) and no composite sign. The disciples asked for a "sign"(singular) albeit not appreciating that Christ's return was not to be in their day.

    There are many signs that constitute the presence of Christ, but only one sign when the Son of man is manifest during the war of Armageddon. Jesus even said that there would be numerous "fearful sights and from heaven great signs"---noting that "signs" is in the plural. Together these would make up one sign, what we call a composit sign.

    The Revelation seems to carry this theme and adds details. The multi-headed beast of Revelation 13 and 17 are the same, the latter with more details for identification.

    Yes and no. The beast in the 17th chapter has under gone a drastic change, evidenced by it's color, which is relevant to what we are talking about in connection with the collapse of the present system. But, I will leave it at that./ You Know

  • gravedancer
    gravedancer

    Why do you continue to post threads with all caps titles?

    Simon has asked us to stop that.

    Is the reason you do it because YOUR post has to stand out on merits other than its content, which I agree is drivel?

    GD

  • You Know
    You Know

    GD asks YK

    Why do you continue to post threads with all caps titles? Simon has asked us to stop that.

    Simon was referring to people who use large caps in the body of their posts, not merely in the titles. Generally, titles of articles or headlines in various news articles use caps.

    Is the reason you do it because YOUR post has to stand out on merits other than its content, which I agree is drivel?

    Apostate Dubs may consider the ongoing collapse of the financial system as drivel, but many sane people are concerned and interested in what's going on. / You Know

  • 4skins
    4skins

    Hi You Know,

    You are mistaken. The John Birch Society is not the source of my information. JBS, ostensibly a reporter of the intrigues of the money power is, in fact, an agent of the same. The members of the money power are the individuals that own the private corporations which own the Federal Reserve and who also belong to a Talmudist cabal of which the WTS is linked.

    The reference Jesus made to Daniel's prophecies were linked to Jeruslaem's destruction, otherwise the NT is silent. Daniel did not have a monopoly on the phrase, the holy ones. And Daniel chapter 12 is but one of a possible couple of comments "that hold little" or are "little evidence" beyond the first century. That Jesus quoted Daniel is suggestive that "the time of the end" began in the first century.

    You've taken "the Great Distress" out of context and placed it in the final cataclysm. Compare Mat24:9, 21 and see if your translation doesn't place these words as commencing near Jerusalem's destruction. When the only "sign" commences Jesus declares "the Great Distress", completed(v.29).

    If you claim that the generation which beheld Christ in the flesh is the same as the one which would see Jerusalem's destruction you are admitting "the last days" begun then. By implication you are claiming that the son of man was seen coming(v.30) circa 70 A.D. Unfortunately, you cannot point to a scripture which shows "the last days" resuming according to your theory.

    A "composite sign" is a heresy. It is not mentioned in scripture. Jesus gave but one singular "sign" as per the request by his disciples for one singular "sign"(v.3). That that "sign" does not refer to the items which you claim are 'signs'(vs.5-14) was even attested to by C.T.Russell as 'the repeating patterns of history from Jesus day forward'(not verbatim).

    To quote you, let's "leave it at that"!

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