Posts by Splash

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New Light About FS--question

by DarioKehl in

jw
friends

so, if the current gb is this "faithful and discreet slave" and they place greater emphasis on 1919 now, are they saying that only a few anointed christians were selected in the 1st century, followed by nearly 2000 years of no selections and starting around 1914-1919, the selection of the rest of the 144,000 resumed?.

if so, this is an easy explanation for the increase in numbers of partakers since 2008. have they gone right out and said this officially or have they only alluded to it up to now?.

also, the original understanding was this "shut door" policy of 1935. i never understood how they arrived at that year.

Splash

DarioKehl:are they saying that only a few anointed christians were selected in the 1st century, followed by nearly 2000 years of no selections and starting around 1914-1919, the selection of the rest of the 144,000 resumed?

Hi,

No they are not saying that, as that would imply there were non-anointed partakers in the first century.

What they are saying is that there were some anointed in the 1st Century (from 33CE onwards), but these were not the FDS.

The FDS only came into being in 1919.

Splash.

85

The January 1st Watchtower Admits That JWs Have Been Wrong As To Their Expectations Of The End!...but

by minimus in

jw
friends

they excuse it by saying, it's ok since at least they were on the watch.. i believe they should think about god's view of watchmen who constantly gave false pronouncements.

they would be judged accordingly by god!.

Splash

"Don't you worry about about providing for yourselves" said the King,

"Just spend longer in your fields to provide for me and my palace".

"Even if you are too frail and old, I will graciously accept a mere 15 minutes of toil in the fields each month".

"But should you fail even this, I will send some some princes to make a thorough enquiry".

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I need your help friends. Which logical fallacy is being used here?

by I_love_Jeff in

jw states: since the apostles made mistakes, it is okay for us to make mistakes as well".

is it the logical fallacy of "two wrongs make a right"?

the apostles were directed by god, the governing body is not.

Splash

Yan Bibyian - "Truth does not change, only OUR UNDERSTANDING of it, as mere imperfect mortals, does".

The Truth isn't being called into question, it's why we have not been taught the truth that is.

Is it acceptable that our teachings of the Truth are not the truth?

If our teachings are from Jehovah, why are they different to what is actually the Truth?

Is this a valid statement for when Churches change their teachings too?

The congregations are told that we are given food at the proper time. What is proper about serving spiritual food that is not truthful?

Splash

9

can anyone translate the words on the tablet?

by maisha in

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friends

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Splash

Well done Pseudo - you nailed it. Splash

27

"Must you stop?"

by cedars in

no, that's not a line from a rude film.

it's the title of a brief article on page 3 of the latest february 2013 kingdom ministry, which reads as follows... .

"when sharing in field service, some publishers customarily stop at a certain time, perhaps at noon.

Splash

How many ways can you write "DO MORE!"

Splash

43

Ethos said: ''the GB have never claimed to have any special ability'' Some WT quotes..

by punkofnice in

(wt 1957 june 15 p. 370) .

watchtower 1957 june 15 p.370 "it is vital that werespond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of god.

" (wt 1964 june 15 p. 365) .

Splash

Don't forget all of the old favourites from the past two years:

-- w10 7/15 p. 23 par. 10 “The Spirit Searches Into . . . the Deep Things of God”

When the time comes to clarify a spiritual matter in our day, holy spirit helps responsible representatives of “the faithful and discreet slave” at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood. (Matt. 24:45; 1 Cor. 2:13)

p.17: "Listening to the slave class means giving our full cooperation to its Governing Body."

p.27: "Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?" " The slave thus deserves our complete trust"

p.28: " By all means, then, let us listen to the Christ and his trustworthy spirit-anointed brothers."

*** w10 9/15 p. 8 par. 7 Earnestly Seek Jehovah’s Blessing ***

We cannot hope to acquire a good relationship with Jehovah if we ignore those whom Jesus has appointed to care for his belongings. Without the assistance of “the faithful and discreet slave,” we would neither understand the full import of what we read in God’s Word nor know how to apply it.

-- w10 9/15 p. 13 par. 8: "Similarly today, a Governing Body composed of spirit-anointed Christians contributes to the unity of the worldwide congregation. The Governing Body publishes spiritually encouraging literature in many languages. This spiritual food is based on God’s Word. Thus, what is taught is not from men but from Jehovah.—Isa. 54:13."

*** w10 9/15 p. 23 par. 8 “Your Leader Is One, the Christ” ***

The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following the lead of the modern-day Governing Body, they are in fact following their Leader, Christ.

*** si p. 9 par. 16 (2011) “All Scripture Is Inspired of God and Beneficial” ***

(1) Jehovah God originates his utterances; (2) then his official Word, or Spokesman—now known as Jesus Christ—often transmits the message; (3) God’s holy spirit, the active force that is used as the medium of communication, carries it earthward; (4) God’s prophet on earth receives the message; and (5) he then publishes it for the benefit of God’s people.

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Having It Both Ways

by Perry in

i posted this 10 years ago.

here is an updated version fresh for the 2012 holidays :.

1. jehovahs witnesses claim to have no clergy and hence are supposed to be totally unlike christendoms' rulers who get special reverence and lord it over their brothers.

Splash

I think this was from CoC:

WT Terms used For Incorrect Watchtower Doctrine
“errors” “mistakes”
“misplaced zeal” “unrealized hopes”
“previous failures” “misinterpretations”
“misunderstandings” “our understanding”
“misplaced optimism” “wrong expectations”
“hopes and expectations” “premature expectations”
“misplaced expectations” “disappointed expectations”
“errors in their teachings” “incomplete concepts”
“inaccurate concepts” “serious disappointments”
“formerly cherished views” “mistakes in their understanding”
“views in need of refinement” “an expressed opinion”
“cherished errors” “wrong beliefs”
“old truths” “past truths”
“expectations needing some adjustment” "premature in their expectations"

"clarifications"

“matters on which corrections of viewpoint have been needed”

WT Terms Used For Incorrect Doctrine of Other Religions
"demonic ideas"

"demonic teachings"

"divisive teachings"

“falsehoods”
“false stories”
“false teachers”
“false teachings”
“false doctrines”
“false prophets”
“false prophecies”
“false religious views”
“false religious teachings”
“false religious philosophies”
“doctrines with pagan religious roots”
“God dishonouring doctrines of Babylon the Great”
“the disfiguring of God”
“nauseating teachings”
“God dishonouring”
“pagan doctrines”
“godless myths”

"unscriptural teachings"

" whorish system of Babylonish religion "

80

France : no more local bank accounts for congregations

by fifth.column in

i just joined a few days ago.

still in (physically, not mentally...) for family reasons... how many attendees at the kh in the same situation ?

currently living in france, wont say more on me for the moment.... .

Splash

Cong's in UK are currently being asked to change their gas and electric supply to Total, where they have a dedicated sales team for all Kingdom Halls.

Perhaps things are going to be centralised.

Splash.

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"Shepherd" book published online by National Broadcasting Agency in Norway!

by Boudica in

wow, did not think this was possible... the whole shepherd the flock - book available + some of the late boe letters regarding child abuse policies and secrecy, published here by nrk (the national broadcaster in norway).. http://www.nrk.no/contentfile/file/1.10660993!2010_ks10-e3vedl%20til%20slutt%20%282%29.pdf.

wonder how long it will be before it is removed?.

and jw being top story, child abuse matters discussed from different angles.. well done to those who have been able to make nrk interested and give it full coverage!.

Splash

Ah, there it is - Page 38 section 20. If an elder has been involved in past child abuse, "this would likely disqualify him for many years".

Now we can all feel safe.

Splash.

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Confidential Materials!

by Atlantis in

all documents of important nature such as, our kingdom ministry, boe letters, forms, or other materials will now be sent only by email or private message communications.

they will not be posted out here on the board.

if someone else wants to post them, be my guest.. .. we have no other choice in this matter, and sending out confidential documents is better when it is done privately.

Splash

I hope when Atlantis sends the email he doesn't have the list of everyone elses email viewable on the 'To:' line as well

Splash.