Posts by Splash

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WARNING! If you DELIBERATELY avoid the JW memorial.....

by BoogerMan in

.......you will experience a fate worse than death!

you have been warned - don't come crying to me if you don't go.

you've got one month to change your mind.

Splash

In the months before I left I was an MS doing the sound for the memorial.

An elder was one of the servers, passed the bread plate all around the back rows then headed towards me.

I decided I didn’t need to be part of that ritualistic nonsense so put my hand up in a ‘stop’ way. The puzzlement stopped him in his tracks and was broadcast in his expression. After a minute to process this he moved onto serve those sat in the back rooms.

Then came the wine, and the same routine.

As expected, immediately after the memorial finished I was called into the back room by the elder and COBE and asked to explain myself.

I simply asked if it was mandatory to handle the emblems. Of course the answer was “No, but… (nothing)”.

I wished them a good evening and went back into the hall.

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How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

by psyco in

i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

thanks..

Splash

Simple for such fools are misled by the great Deceiver

Yet you quote these same, deceived fools when they align with your dogma.

It must be nice to pick and choose your beliefs like a child in a sweet shop.

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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

by WingCommander in

jw
friends

this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

this is not a joke.

anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

Splash

If we claim someone "not redeemable", than we are no better then they are.

The Apostle Paul defined a rule to identify those who are not redeemable in Heb 10:26-31:
"If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left..."

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Anthony Moriss nervous breakdowns and Bethel stress!

by Witness 007 in

so karl klien of the governing body gave his life story in the watchtower talking about his stress, nervous breakdowns and pressure to take the lead.

it was aweful.

maybe anthony had the same problem..

Splash

Yes, it must be very stressful reflecting on all those destroyed lives you've caused.

However, that requires a conscience so probably not that at all.

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How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

by psyco in

i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

thanks..

Splash

What about the 'celebrated' WT scholars? WT Chronology is based not on Barbour but Charles Russell and his associates

If you want to open the embarrassing can of worms that CTR created, which have over the years been systematically dropped as teachings by WT, then you need the bumps on your head felt.

Which incidentally was some other quackery CTR believed in.

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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

by WingCommander in

jw
friends

this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

this is not a joke.

anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

Splash

What happens when a megalomaniac loses their power? We’ll soon find out.

Is he still anointed? Will he serve his penance back in one of the departments being overseen by his new masters, or is it out into the cold where the rest of the dogs are?

Is there a way back, much like an elder can be removed but later serve again?

Kant seems appropriate, “If man makes himself a worm he must not complain when he is trodden on.”

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How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

by psyco in

i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

thanks..

Splash

By constructing a scheme of Chronology based on the backward computation of the reigns of the N B Period you get 586/587 for the Fall of Jerusalem based on material in the Insight volumes. I get that!

The Insight volumes omit nothing and are correct in being faithful to the Bible.

Scholar can be quite wordy but if you skim over the barrage of condescending insults, dig through the layers of wishful thinking and look for the simple truths, they are in there somewhere.

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How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

by psyco in

i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

thanks..

Splash

Thanks Scholar for your reply to this little person.
Please educate me some more.

You said "Your methodology is flawed as it does not account for the biblical-historical period of the 70 years which is unaccounted for in the scheme of NB Period which you have taken from the Insight volumes."

So I pointed out that using the Insight chronology (not really my methodology to be fair) of one king after another, using the Insight volume reign lengths, Jerusalem fell in 587BCE.

Where do these extra 70 years that you insist on come in, in the Insight books?
I went back and reread them and no kings were missing and there was no mention of dropping in an extra 70 years somewhere or other.

Are the Insight books wrong or missing something, because the simple sums from there lead me to 587BCE?

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Another interesting comment made by a PIMI JW

by joe134cd in

i thought i’d shear this with you good people.

the cognitive dissonance is just breath taking.

i over heard this comment at a relatives family dinner the other night.

Splash

OP’s comment from a JW that “Jehovah’s organisation has never stopped anyone from growing a beard” is true.

The org in fact cannot stop you from growing a beard.

In true JW fashion they have deceitfully reframed the problem into something they can defend.

The more accurate truth is that Jehovahs organisation will penalise and punish you for growing a beard.

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How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

by psyco in

i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

thanks..

Splash

Apologies for the formatting (posting on a tablet), but here’s the Insight confirming 587BCE. The important bit is in bold.

We need to look at the timeline from the destruction of Jerusalem through to when Babylon was overthrown and the Jews allowed back home. Keep in mind that these dates are all BCE which means the higher the number, the further back in time it is.

WT say this was from 607BCE until 539 BCE - approx 70 years.

Scholars say this was from 587BCE until 539 BCE - approx 50 years.

The one thing scholars and WT agree on is the date of 539 BCE which is when Babylon was overthrown and Cyrus gave his permission for the Jews to return to their homeland. This means we have to start at the agreed date and work backwards to find the starting point for when Jerusalem was destroyed.

1. First you need to identify the list of kings from the decree of Cyrus (which gives us a fixed year in time - 539 BCE) back to the fall of Jerusalem. Insight Vol 1 p.425.

2. Also establish that Cyrus gave his decree for the Jews to return at the same time, in 539 B.C.E. Insight Vol 2 p.332

3. Now work through that list backwards in time and let's add how long each king reigns:

- 539 BCE - The end of Belshazzars rule. Insight Vol 1 p.283-284

- Minus Nabonidus rule (17 years) = 556 BCE - Insight Vol 2 p.457-458

- Minus Labashi-Marduk (9 months) = 557 BCE - W65 1/1 p.29

- Minus Neriglissar (4 years) = 561 BCE - Insight Vol 1 p.453

- Minus Evil-Merodach (2 years) = 563 BCE - Insight Vol 1 p.773

- Minus Nebuchadnezzar (43 years) = 606 BCE - Insight Vol 2 p.480

- This gives us 606 BCE as the start of Nebuchadnezzar's reign (from 606 BCE to 563 BCE), but it was in 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar's reign that Jerusalem fell, so one more sum:

- ADD 19 years to 606 BCE = 587 BCE - Insight Vol 1 p. 447

Apart from Labashi-Marduk, all the kings details are in the Insight books, so it's pretty easy to work out. What does get confusing is that the Insight book also uses their own, fictitious dates all the way through, but going by this factual list of kings and dates you can prove the Insight books contradict themselves and the 587 BCE date is proven correct.

Look, all JW's can go to any encyclopedia and prove that Jesus Christ was not born on December 25th. This is the line often used by Jehovah's Witnesses to point out that Christmas is NOT a Christian holiday. Yet, those same encyclopedia's are not trusted when it comes to the date of Jerusalem's desolation because they all disagree with the Watchtower's date of 607 B.C.E.

WT repeatedly state that no scholars accept the 607 BCE date. The old AID book said on p.322-348 "These dates are some 20 years later than those presented in the chart accompanying this article ... This is because we accept the Biblical information, particularly as regards the seventy-year desolation of Judah (running from 607 to 537 B.C.E.), as accurate and as superior in reliability to the ancient secular records."

Even in WT's two article defence of 607 BCE in Oct/Nov 2011 they add the footnote: "Note: None of the secular experts quoted in this article hold that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 B.C.E."