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  Jehovah - I don't like you.

  by berrygerry in

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  Voldemort. - I don't like you.
  
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  Jehovah God is Real

  by TakeOffTheCrown in

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  there are many on this site that do not believe that jehovah truly exists; that he is not a real being.

  but, he is as real as next breath you draw into your nostrils.. some of you say that there is no evidence that he exists.

  yet, none of you can prove that he does not exits.. cofty, (you come to mind), i appreciate that you have stated, without reservation, that you do not believe that god exists.. yet, you cannot prove it.. hope in jehovah..

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  I'd like to share an experience about the subject of prayer. This is all true, although it was over 20 years ago so the memories are a bit blurry.

  When I was in my early 20's and a JW in good standing, but with questions that I couldn't reason away, I went on a Meander travel tour to the holy land. It was the full works, Egypt and Israel. When we stopped in Sinai part of the group climbed Mount Sinai at night, so that we would reach the top at dawn, just as the sun rose.

  I left the group and climbed on my own. I was considerably perturbed in spirit. Tormented by my doubts and desperate to... believe I guess. I clearly remember one elders advice around that time: "Buy a TV, get married and settle down." He was saying to be normal, be a part of the group and I sincerely wanted to do that.

  So there I was, on the top of Mount Sinai. I'd fallen at some point on the way up and cut my hand and as my blood dripped onto the rocks I prayed for direction, for a sign, for anything to say that this was how I should live my life. Then the sun rose, the darkness was stripped away and the whole land was revealed in a moment. It was glorious and I felt... nothing. There was only silence, both inside my head and out.

  When you pray, the only answers come from within yourself. In a way you could say that my prayers were answered because I saw that the direction of my life must lead away from the JW's and from belief. I bought a TV, I got married, but the life I settled into was a life free from religion.
  
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  My plans for Christmas this year

  by UnshackleTheChains in

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  1. attend a charity christmas party which my wife (active jw) helps to organise each year 😀.

  2. buy a very small christmas tree with lights for the living room (which can easily be hidden away if jw friends are coming up).

  3. buy some nice presents for my family.

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  My plan for Christmas is for the dog not to throw up after Christmas dinner. I mean, seriously, with 5 people sneaking her bits of turkey and god knows what, plus whatever she can hoover up that the baby drops, I fear my Christmas might be a bit… vommy.

  I have the presents that I’m going to get planned, but not bought, and this weekend I’m going to test out my roast potato and parsnip making skills as I’m on roasty duty. I’ve been told I need King Edward potatoes and Goose fat, but there’s also dark rumours of dusting them in flour as well, which needs investigating.

  Ahh, Christmas! What a lovely time of year!
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  Why I DON'T Fear The Future - A Conversation With My JW Mum

  by Divergent in

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  3 questions i hit my jw mum with:.

  first question: do you believe that god is love?

  third question: do you think a god of love would choose to destroy me for not doing something i cannot do (be a jw) because i am not convinced rather than convince me beyond doubt?

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  Good line of argument Divergent!

  You don't have to refer to any outside (therefore apostate) material at all. The "Truth" as taught by JW.org is not convincing. End of. Divergent's argument follows and therefore you have nothing to fear from Armageddon.

  Boom! Sorted! :)
  
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  Is Satan really the bad guy in story of creation?

  by evilApostate in

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  i wanted to take an objective look at satan in the story of creation.

  this is not meant to offend those of you who are still christians.

  i'm agnostic btw.

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  Two things strike me reading through this thread.

  1) Who *was* supposed to eat the fruit from the tree of life and from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad? Did god create two distinct species of trees purely to test his human creation who had no concept of the consequences of failing the test? Isn't that a waste of good fruit? doesn't it go against the whole ethos of the creation tale of things being created male and female according to their kind?

  2) Where are the trees now? They must have been self-fertilising as they produced fruit even though there was only a single specimen of each. So that fruit would have fallen to the ground, been eaten by animals (who then get to know good and bad and live forever??) and more trees of life and knowledge would then grow from the seeds. In this day and age there should be forests of trees of life and of knowledge.
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  How about prayers being used as a talk?

  by NikL in

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  another thread on here made me think of it.. its a personal peeve of mine.. you bow your head in prayer and the brother says thinks like thank you for the lessons we learned today like bla bla bla and for that wonderful point about yadda yadda yadda.

  jehovah we know that etc etc etc therefore we must...well you get the gist.and on and on it goes.

  absolutely drives me mad..

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  It's a shitty thing to do.
  
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  Taking the Step

  by beardfreedom in

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  first time posting after years of reading, the things i have learned here have gradually helped to open my eyes to the reality of this religion.

  though i have been mentally out for some time, lately i have stopped going to meetings and service.

  the elders are calling and i have been ignoring them, i am trying to get up the courage to finally break free and never go back.

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  "I feel like I am cutting anchor and drifting on an unknown current,"

  It's important to understand that you have been conditioned to feel this way. Your model of reality has been twisted. An impression has been planted into your mind that inside the JW organisation is safe and outside is bad.

  It is a lie.

  You have accepted the lie, just as so many other intelligent people have, not because of a failing on your part. It's not because you're dumb! Smarter people than you and I are Scientologists, for example, believing things that are even more at odds with reality.

  If a person is isolated, as JW's are, then a filter can be introduced between that person and reality. Everything they perceive is processed through the filter. I was out walking with a friend once and I pointed at a hillside and said "look at all those beautiful bluebells" to which he replied "What are you talking about? There's nothing there." He was wearing glasses with blue tinted lenses and he actually couldn't see the flowers! (True story).

  It has become my personal mission since leaving the JW's to remove all the filters and get as accurate a model of reality as I can. One thing that I can say is that it's not easy but, in my opinion, it makes life worth living.
  
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  2013 NWT - Conveniently Circular

  by theunbeliever in

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  this is my first post.

  as i am currently disfellowshipped, i have no one else to discuss these things with.

  even if i was actively associated with the dubs, i suppose i'd still have no one else to discuss this with.

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  Hi theunbeliever, have you read up on the Millerites and the Great Disappointment? It's fascinating to see the parallels and although there is no direct connection with CT Russell I think the influence is unmistakable.
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  Just curious about how faithful women are these days. Anybody know?

  by Alostpuppydog in

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  so being someone who is not, however still believes around 70% of what the jw's talk about as far as the bible goes, ignoring the fact of no blood transfusions, shunning, etc.

  wt doctrines, i got this question.

  anybody really know how faithful 'worldly' (i use this term lightly 😉) women are these days?

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  Sorry DJS, when I used the term inappropriate, I should have clarified that it was in the context of JWdom, not the wider context of consenting adults generally.
  
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  Sam Harris on Trump - The Most Powerful Clown

  by cofty in

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  harris is at his incisive best in his latest podcast.. he likens the situation to being on an aeroplane where the pilot has died and somebody with no experience of flying has grabbed the controls.

  we should all be committed to his success.

  prize for the best line goes to - "caligula with a iphone".. even if you love trump and despise harris you should appreciate his clarity.. waking up with sam harris....

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  Cold Steel:

  That actually would apply more aptly to Hillary than Trump. Both Bill and Hillary made more than twenty excursions on Jeffrey Epstein's infamous Lolita Express (many times independent of each other), which whisked Epstein's guests to his private island, termed "Orgy Island," known for offering underage children (both boys and girls, part of Epstein's private pedophile network). Although Trump allegedly made one excursion on the Express himself, the flight records don't support it and there is no evidence of it.

  Hillary is known for being bi-sexual, but later in life she seems to have settled for women and young girls. But despite that warm speech by Bill during the convention, nearly everyone knows Chelsea's father wasn't Bill at all, but Rose Law Firm partner Webb Hubbell. (All one has to do is find pictures of the two on the Internet.)

  
  That's pretty explosive stuff. Do you have any sources\evidence for those claims?