The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

by slimboyfat 327 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • LV101

    Phoebe - sorry this has caused you distress but I get it. We lose logic wanting a better, just, world and life and the delusion our dream religion just be true. The ole snaps in the synapse cause a plethora of doubts in our logic sometimes but keep in mind these American based charlatans (JWs/Mormans) have had quite a schtick going on for many decades. It's called tax-free business - boy wouldn't tax free anything be nice!

    Stay tuned and you'll balance out.

  • cofty
    Or didn't you say it was because you disagreed with JWs on the ransom doctrine? - SBF

    No the ransom had nothing to do with my decision to leave the cult. I wrote an article about the ransom long after I decided to leave.

    I left because ..

    1 - I worked out through personal research that the cult were wrong about the parousia, blood, the great crowd, end-time prophecy and a number of other issues

    2 - The had lied and used deceit to cover up some of these errors

    3 - Disagreeing about anything the cult says is forbidden.

    The reasons you initially left are not the same as the list you give now

    Yes they are. Since leaving I also discovered a lot of other scandals and abuses that I was unaware of when I left. Even if these additional things did not exist it would make no difference to my decision to leave.

    There has never been a single moment in 20 years when I have questioned my decision. They are an evil abusive cult and the men who are responsible for their doctrines are ignorant, unintelligent and deceptive in equal measure.

    If people stop on the way out, to consider the good and the bad, and make a considered choice, how can that be a bad thing?

    You are not on your way out. You have been out for decades.

    They are wrong about the divine name. Pacifism is morally indefensible.

    As I said you are a 'useful idiot'.

  • Phoebe


    Thank you for your reassuring words. I'm only 4 months out and I'm still not sure I've done the right thing. I'm not very good at decisions because I've had decisions made for me for the last 60 odd years. So deciding to leave, at this point in time, I still can't help but think I'm choosing death over life. Early days, I'm sure I'll get better at it.

    @jwfacts @cofty thank you for your kind words.

  • Phoebe

    @ LV101 - thank you :) I know I'll balance out - hope so, anyway!

  • slimboyfat

    You must have good reasons for leaving after 60 years. The worst thing about it is not being able to talk to other JWs. I hope you've found people you can tall to.

    Remember you are not obligated to tell any JW your feelings about things if they are only going to use the information to harm you.

  • Vanderhoven7

    I still can't help but think I'm choosing death over life. Early days, I'm sure I'll get better at it.


    Biblically speaking, it is having/receiving/believing Jesus Christ is choosing life over death, not trusting men in New York. He is The Way, The Truth and The Life.

    Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me will live, even though he dies. 26And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?” Jn.11:25-26

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts I was agnostic leaning toward atheism. Now I'm agnostic leaning toward belief in God. I'm really not sure what to believe but I think there must be something bigger than ourselves and that JWs have good points as well as bad points.

    It is true that JWs have good points. I would argue that every organisation has good points. Even the most violent totalitarian system offers community, purpose and brotherhood. The leader may offer good direction in health advise, moral guidelines etc.

    There are many great reasons to be a Jehovah's Witness, but I would never recommend a person join. There are numerous other groups to direct a person to. The reason that you concentrate on JWs is it is your comfort zone, and area of expertise. Yet Watchtower is high control group that uses coercive persuasion, and as such is a dangerous group. The fact that they stole a lucky guess about 1914, have an interesting but unrealistic perspective on war, and may (or may not) be correct about using the Divine name does not make up for the destructive force they have been in millions of lives.

  • slimboyfat

    Surely not killing each other is a very basic Christian requirement. But who else meets this requirement? Quakers and maybe a few other small groups. Maybe these are the two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie in Hebrews 6:18.


    Surely not killing each other is a very basic Christian requirement.....SBF

    JW`s support Globel Genocide.

    Doing it with a smile on your face, does not make you a good person.


    They`re All Gonna Die....Oh Well.

    Too Bad For Them..... More For Me!

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  • jwfacts
    Surely not killing each other is a very basic Christian requirement.

    How? Christianity accepts the Bible, not just a few choice quotes from Jesus, and killing non believers is a key message of the Bible.

    On another track, the concept of pacifism is impossible without a dominant force the protect the pacifists, and JW's would not exist if it were not for Christians that have used violence to protect their freedom.

    This is a totally different topic though.

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