by UnshackleTheChains 519 Replies latest watchtower scandals
@BourneIdentity..
Except, as I have mentioned, I have had the exact opposite experience. Not a hypothetical scenario, a real actual experience, as a baptized witness, buying three (3) bottles of vodka in front of an elder (he was buying too), and everything was just fine.
So where do we go from here?
Bourne, I was with you up and to the baseball cap and fake Groucho Marx disguise. I think that's pretty far fetched, perhaps you were being facetious? Up until that, I think that's been the culture of jw-dom for the last 50 years, or at least since I've been associated, and, if anything, I find it to be a bit more lax in recent years, but my perception is only of a few congregations I've been a part of. And we all know that the personality of a congregation can vary depending on the local and the disposition of elders and others in the congregation. But, the overall mantra, always give a good witness by our deeds and actions, never do anything that may be perceived as wrong, so as to stumble others. Appearances are everything. Perception is often grounds for council and prying to see if further action is warranted. So in that sentiment, you are absolutely correct.
MMM, well I would say you had leverage. š
If he was doing the same thing, he had no ground to stand upon, to council you. This is the argument we are making about TM. He stands upon high moral ground, giving harsh council to his 8 million sheep, critisizing and condemning petty actions, and then he's spotted doing something that the average jw would easily be questioned and counciled on, if another JW were to observe and rat him out to the elders.
Oh so you are saying that if he wasnāt buying, I would have gotten council?
And when I would visit an elderās home with liquor cabinets stocked, that too is elder āprivilegeā?
MMM, please see my above, revised statement. (It seems I added to it, after you commented. Sorry)
MMM:
Oh so you are saying that if he wasnāt buying, I would have gotten council?
Maybe, maybe not, but how could he? He didn't have a leg to stand on. Perhaps he wouldn't have cared, regardless. A great many elders wouldn't have. But that is not the standard by which the organization holds itself, "beyond reproach".
MMM:
And when I would visit an elderās home with liquor cabinets stocked, that too is elder āprivilegeā?
Not necessarily, but there's a difference between what you do, privately, behind closed doors, and what you are seen doing publicly. Again, perception.
This was drilled into me since I was a small child, by my father, by the elders from the platform, at assemblies, and in publications. So much so, that it is part of my make up. I am constantly aware of how my actions are being perceived by others. It's actually served me well for the most part, but that's beside the point here.
Btw, how do you guys highlight others quotations? I have been trying but it has me stumped, lol.
lastmanstanding: what kind of activist are you?
My previous exjw identity is well known. I prefer not to reveal it in a public forum, since I've decided to not be an active activist any longer because of the negativity the exjw online community has. But let's just say I did a lot of satire videos a few years ago in addition to debunking JW.ORG FAQs. I also wrote two articles for JW Survey and helped Cedars with one of his videos. In addition, I had part of my family's story featured in an article and radio interview on NPR.
My YouTube channel has around 2,000 subscribers.
Bouneldentity: Very well put. Probably the best reply Iāve heard so far.
