Is the "War on Terror" wrong? Why?

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  • Trauma_Hound
    Trauma_Hound

    http://www.globalpolicy.org/wtc/fundamentalism/2002/1120jihad.htm

    Militant Patriotism and America's Jihad

    By Matthew Riemer*

    Yellow Times
    November 20, 2002

    Why is Islam portrayed as the volatile, unpredictable, and inherently violent religion of a different class of people, people who never took the last few enlightened steps so easily trod by the Western world? Why is Islam portrayed as the religion of people who are just now getting around to becoming "civilized", of people who are just now toying with the advanced and more mature concepts of democracy and capitalism?

    Why is Christianity portrayed as the religion of the enlightened man of the post-Industrial Age, an age filled with gritty realism, but neither pessimism nor optimism. An age where moral giants reluctantly come to painstaking judgments that reign down on all of humanity like God's grace gone bad.

    Why do the media and religious scholars now suddenly admit to thinking that Islam was violent all along? (They just didn't have the nerve to say it in the past but they do now, right?) Such boldness comes under the cover of widespread suspicion and incomplete analysis of the real intent of Islam. Yet why do they not see the inherent violence and militancy in Christianity, or any religion for that matter when its followers become dogmatic zealots?

    Surely it was Christianity that declared the first "real" jihad against the uncivilized, barbaric, heathen Muslims (who, simply to respect the truth, were far more advanced than their high and mighty Western assailants) when, in 1095, Pope Urban II said, "Let's get 'em!"

    This was the first "real" jihad in the sense that a war was being declared against not only a particular region and religion, but on an entire way of life, an entire people and culture. Indeed, Arthur Goldschmidt Jr. in his classic introductory text, A Concise History of the Middle East, notes that, "The general effect of the Christian onslaught, though, was to make Islam more militant by the twelfth century than it had ever been before."

    Ahmed Rashid, noted foreign journalist and author of Taliban, offers this eye-opening insight: "The Taliban were a direct throwback to the military religious orders that arose in Christendom during the Crusades to fight Islam -- disciplined, motivated and ruthless in attaining their aims."

    At the time of the Crusades, the Western world didn't have the luxury of pointing out travesties that had been carried out by the Muslim world against Christendom to perhaps at least partially justify their actions and hatred. For example, like the destruction and rape of their environment by the Muslims, or perhaps, the "discovery" of Europe and the proceeding subjugation and enslavement of their people with a concomitant eradication of cultural solidarity and identity."

    Of course, today, those same bloodthirsty actions have occurred, though not by Easterners against Westerners (excuse the vague terminology), but just the other way around. The concept of jihad, if understood as a ready willingness to defend one's self, one's culture, and one's religion from foreign interference, ill will, or meddling, combined with a romantic sense of sacrifice towards those goals, seems to be inherent in all peoples.

    If you are under attack, if you are being persecuted, if your culture, identity, and religion are in imminent danger of expiration, possibly even on your home turf, then you'll fight back and try to repel the enemy. This tendency or response seems only natural.

    Even if one's interpretation was to understand jihad with the added dimension of the right or duty to spread one's message throughout the world, even with the occasional bloodshed, it would then more resemble the decree of, say, manifest destiny or that of imperialism or missionaries. Still, though less so, this makes perfect sense and seems natural.

    I have to admit that wanting to spread one's "message" throughout the world or the attempt to explore and maybe "acquire" new lands does seem fairly natural from the point of view of the human animal. The line must be drawn, however, when it comes to the use of extensive violence to achieve these expansionary and somewhat megalomaniacal goals. At some point, a morally responsible individual or group must say no more. No more violence, no more bloodshed.

    At some point in the cycle of violence, we'll find ourselves on the receiving end. At another point we'll find ourselves doling it out. Sometimes our actions are more reactions and sometimes less so. Who's really retaliating against whom? Who's really responding and who's really instigating that response? Over time, cause and effect blur like the blades of a fan stuck on high for a thousand years. Who/what is right and who/what is wrong? Who/what is moral, immoral, amoral? Judge and judged? Aggressor or defender? Militant, fundamentalist, realist?

    Jihad has now suddenly become one of the media's favorite buzzwords. From Newsweek to the local bookstore, from the New York Times to shows on National Public Radio (NPR), it is getting a lot of exposure as the explanation for terrorism. It is portrayed as Islam's dirty little secret that puts everything into perspective. "Oh, that's why they're so violent and unreasonable."

    But is not the U.S. waging its own jihad on "terrorism" and anything loosely associated with it? Has the U.S. not initiated a jihad against anything that challenges U.S. hegemony for that matter? Are there not t-shirts for sale at the local mall t-shirt kiosk depicting a bull's-eye superimposed over the face of one Osama bin Laden (capitalism at its most tasteful)? Are the cries of war not reverberating from the mountaintops, at this very moment, gently stirring all the miniature American flags (probably imported) now cluttering the valley below?

    Are there not zealots proclaiming that Arab or Muslim blood will be spilled for the offences of 9-11? Is not our President rallying us to bless America in God's name and "stomp out the evildoers"? Was it not our President who invoked religious metaphor when he described our forthcoming battle as a "crusade"? Is it not America that has become intolerant of the "other," of dissidence, of debate, of questioning, of asking why?

    Is it not America that has become what it most despises? In short, is it not America that seems bloodthirsty, reactionary, emotionally charged, fueled by religious and cultural divides, swearing to defend itself at all costs from a hidden, amorphous enemy comprising probably less than one hundred thousand soldiers worldwide? Is it not America itself who has now become the "terrorist" in one of our most fanciful of fabrications?


    About the Author: Matthew Riemer has written for years about a myriad of topics, such as: philosophy, religion, psychology, culture, and politics. He studied Russian language and culture for five years and traveled in the former Soviet Union in 1990. In the midst of a larger autobiographical/cultural work, Matthew is the Director of Operations at YellowTimes.org. He lives in the United States.


  • Hamas
    Hamas

    No change of heart boy, just a mere observation. Which is exactly why I didn't elaborate on my post

  • Phantom Stranger
    Phantom Stranger

    I have to say that as a US citizen, I don't even know how to define the "war on terror". I know some things that it includes (searching for Al Qaeda, toppling the Taliban) but I don't know where to draw the line. Does it involve the war in Iraq? The search for WMD? So far, none of the suspected or advocated reasons for the war on Iraq have been proven (except for the original, defying the UN). Or is it now a war on tyrants who defy the UN?

    Before Iraq "fell", the US government was describing Iraqi resistance fighters as "terrorists". Well, they couldn't be - they were in their homeland, fighting a foreign invader! This is a single example of many communications from my government that don't seem to be calculated to inform me, but to sway me in a particular direction and go along with giving them a blank check in order to protect me. I have not convinced myself that protecting me is their primary concern... I fear that they also want to increase their power and wealth in this guise, and that concerns me. Reminds me ot the WTS sometimes, in fact.

    So far, the war on terror doesn't seem to involve North Korea... and they terrify me, boy, let me tell ya.

  • Phantom Stranger
    Phantom Stranger

    I need to clarify something in the previous post. I put quotations aroung "fell" when referring to when Iraq "fell" not because I was questioning the fact that Iraq fell, but because it's hard to pinpoint exactly when it happened... it was pretty chaotic.

    Poor choice of words, wanted to avoid anyone accusing me of thinking that Hussein's Iraq was still a viable state.:)

  • Shakita
    Shakita

    Is the War on Terror wrong? Why.....or why not..........

    Ask that question to the widow who comes into my place of employment with her now fatherless son.

    Ask that question to my previous employer who lost his good friend in the burning towers that day to leave behind a wife and baby.

    Ask that question to my neice who saw on that beautiful Tuesday September morning people jumping from some of the tallest buildings in the world to their deaths on the sidewalk below.

    I just hope and pray that others do not have to share the same experiences of the people above. It does not matter if it is the US, Britain, Australia, or Canada. The terrorists are out to stamp out democracy and personal freedoms from the face of the earth and replace it with their own version of a twisted Islamic paradise.

    If the answer is not a "War on Terror", what is? Diplomacy does not work with martyrs, so their destruction is the only alternative. It is us or them. I choose them.

    Mrs. Shakita

  • 2escaped lifers
    2escaped lifers

    Thanks everyone!!!

    Interesting views and some interesting points from both sides. And thank you all for your restraint in keeping this a "friendly" discussion.

    Hamas.... come on, express your opinion in the open, so far no one is shouting at each other yet. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to hear your well-thought-out response, even if we might disagree.

    I don't have time right now, but I'll post my opinions and responses to some of the points here tomorrow.

    Thanks again everyone!!

    Brandon

  • SanFranciscoJim
    SanFranciscoJim

    The so-called "war on terror", as it is currently being handled, is absolute proof that history does repeat itself.

    Back in the 1950s, U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy started a witchhunt looking for Communists. Even Lucille Ball was accused of practicing Communism!

    There is little difference between the scenarios of McCarthyism and today's paranoia. Now, instead of Communists being everywhere, everyone is a terrorist!

    I am not speaking an opinion here, I am speaking fact because it happened to me! My partner & I bought a vacation home in Canada last September. This April, we decided to drive from California to Nova Scotia to spend our summer there. We were going to explore the possibility of applying for residency once we arrived. At the Maine border, we were stopped by Canadian immigration and deported, because of a 16 year old error made by my partner which still appears on the NCIC database, even though the case has been closed for over 11 years.

    We were told by the immigration officer that if we tried to ender Canada, my partner would be re-arrested for the same offense committed 16 years ago as if it happened yesterday. I made him repeat this to us twice because I could not believe my ears. Then, 6 (six) immigration officers proceeded to tear apart our car and all of our belongings, questioning us as if we were potential terrorists. The next day, I called the Canadian Consulate in Washington DC from our hotel in Portland, Maine. The ambassador's aide to whom I spoke told me that our deportation was a direct result of President George W. Bush's policies in the Middle East, and in retalliation for the way Canadians crossing the U.S. border were being treated by Bush's so-called "homeland security" department.

    I am not here to argue the nuances of immigration law. We were going there as visitors to a house which we own. I had made frequent trips to Canada for the past 10 years without any problem. We had gone to Canada as a couple for 5 years, including a trip just one month before we left California. No one, absolutely no one, ever told us that we might possibly be turned away at the border. If we had known this, I'd have never bought the house in the first place. Now it sits there, empty, and for sale.

    My dreams of a lifetime have been destroyed because of the excessive McCarthyistic paranoia created by our current administration.

    I have been unemployed since April. I suffer from acute insomnia, and am currently being treated for post traumatic stress disorder.

    To quote the words of Benjamin Franklin:

    “The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either.”

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    SanFran,

    Read a bit of History...McCarthy was essentially correct...communists HAD infiltrated government...especially the State Department...further...it was the HOUSE UnAmerican Activities Committee that led the "witchhunt" of which McCarthy was NOT a part because he was a SENATOR, not in the HOUSE of Representatives.

    As to your friend getting stopped...oh well...thems the way the cookies crumble...the US has treated the Canandian border more fairly than it should...ANYONE can get access into Canada. THE WORLD HAS CHANGED..>NO COUNTRY has EVER in MODERN history taken a single Terror attack that killed 3000 people. Blame the Canadians for playing politics...not the US for trying to defend itself.

    Before Iraq "fell", the US government was describing Iraqi resistance fighters as "terrorists". Well, they couldn't be - they were in their homeland, fighting a foreign invader!

    You seem to ignore the fact that there were FORIEGN FIGHTERS...Jordanian...Saudis, Syrians...doing most of the resisting and fighting.so it WAS NOT and IS NOT their homeland. The Iraqis weren't defending their country...they were trying to preserve their grip on power. They can't be called FREEDOM FIGHTERS cuz they don't believe in Freedom...which is what we have now.

    People here just don't seem to realize...the world has CHANGED. 9-11 Made EVERYTHING different.

    The middle east...the US hasn't exploited them...their own leaders have. So we don't get the blame...Bin Laden...Arafat...other terrorist leaders...they are ideologues...BORN into money...they don't know depravation...but they know how to exploit that in others.

    The war on terror...it's all new...we make mistakes in it...but it's NEVER been done before. IT's global...who's next?? You?

    San...what "Freedom" have you "traded"? Is that one "Freedom" worth any lives taken by a terrorist?

  • maybesbabies
    maybesbabies

    This is a very complicated question that has been phrased simply. I do believe the "war on terror" is wrong, because it has not been a war on terror. What it has been is a war on the Taliban and Saddam Hussein, which, while definitely a deplorable bunch, had nothing to do with 9/11. Afghanistan was a patsy, so to speak. The administration was planning a war long before 9/11, and in a strange coincedence, was planning a pipeline through Afghanistan to carry oil to the Caspian sea. If you read the website of the "Project for A New American Century", the neo-con think tank that has members such as Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld, war is needed to protect American economic interests, not it's people per se. Iraq also had nothing to do with 9/11, even though the administration believes that if it repeats this lie long enough, people will believe it (which, sadly, 70% of Americans do). The PNAC advocates global dominance, beginning with the middle east. The American military is not going after the terrorists who planned and executed the attack, but have been ordered to secure the areas that were of the most economic importance. There is a lot of information out there for anyone willing to look. First of all, I believe 9 of the alleged hijackers have been proven to be alive, which means they were not on that plane, which means that someone else did it. Second of all, Iraq has never been connected with Al Qaida, who are diametrically opposed to the secular state of Saddam Hussein. Thirdly, the rights afforded to us under the constitution are being stripped by the Patriot Act, et al, not to keep us secure, but to keep us in line. Am I the only one who feels that when you subvert the Constitution, you are destroying everything our country was based on? Also, Simon and others made a good point, that terrorists do not become that way for no reason. It is because they, like many others in the world, have been oppressed so that western countries could make a profit. Just take a look at what this war has done. It has not caught any of the people involved in 9/11, it has not destroyed Al Qaida ( it has in fact, made it stronger), it has not brought a better standard of living to anyone, America included!!!! It has only made a lot of defense contractors and oil men rich. If you take a close look at the news, Unocal has begun their pipeline, and America has passed legislation to seize all Iraqi assets and oil wells. My point is, look beyond what you are told in the mainstream media, the truth is out there.

  • SanFranciscoJim
    SanFranciscoJim
    As to your friend getting stopped...oh well...thems the way the cookies crumble...

    Let's see someone deny you access to a home which you own and see how your "cookies crumble". That is a very rude statement to make. Please.....let's keep this discussion civil, not insulting.

    ...the US has treated the Canandian border more fairly than it should...ANYONE can get access into Canada.

    Precisely my point! Thank you! If we had arrived at the border from a third world country and told them we "lost" our passports in transit, they'd have likely let us in under refugee status. However, here are two legitimate U.S. citizens, with all the proper documents filled out, legally entering the border at a legal border crossing, and we are the ones they toss out on our back sides!! When we were asked if either of us had criminal records, my partner was honest and said yes. What purpose does it serve ejecting Americans when third-world "refugees" can enter with forged documents, or no documents at all, and be a mass murderer but lie and say their criminal record is pristine with no means of verification? The answer is clear: Our ejection was purely political in nature.

    Read a bit of History...McCarthy was essentially correct...communists HAD infiltrated government...especially the State Department...further...it was the HOUSE UnAmerican Activities Committee that led the "witchhunt" of which McCarthy was NOT a part because he was a SENATOR, not in the HOUSE of Representatives.

    Whether or not Communists had infiltrated the government is a moot point. It did not give McCarthy, Roy Cohn, or anyone in either the Senate or House the right to destroy the lives of hard working Americans with false accusations.

    San...what "Freedom" have you "traded"? Is that one "Freedom" worth any lives taken by a terrorist?

    Back in the Vietnam War era, bumper stickers and billboards dotted the American landscape reading "America: Love It or Leave It". The Canadian Parliament even passed a law stating that Americans coming into Canada could not be asked their draft status. In today's world, Americans have become so vilified by the current administration's policies that we cannot even leave it - for a vacation! My government has traded my freedom to travel in exchange for supposed "security" at home. We are becoming a xenophobic society - not by choice - but by government policy.

    The loss of my freedoms in exchange for so-called "homeland security" has absolutely nothing to do with the lives taken by any terrorist or terrorist group. Terrorism must be stopped. We have the means to do it. We have an intelligence network unlike any other in the world. Our military resources are unparallelled. There is no need to lie about the presence of so-called "weapons of mass destruction", nor to create paranoia of imminent danger. Our president is using very Jehovah's Witness-like tactics. He reminds me of a JW predicting Armageddon in 1975. Get the people frightened enough, and they will follow.

    I did that once as a JW. I will not do it again as an American.

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