I'm now turned off by this site

by purrpurr 67 Replies latest jw friends

  • Me.Wonderful
    Me.Wonderful

    After spending a lifetime of being indoctrinated about the dangers of worldly people and the villainization of ex-members , its hits kind of a raw nerve hearing about the dangers of people wanting come to America to work shitty jobs no one else wants to work. Or the people who spent a lifetime hearing about the dangers of higher education suddenly seem to know more than all the worlds scientists and doctors.

    For all the people who saying , if you don't like it , just scroll past it need to realize.

    1. Your constant circle jerk is annoying as hell to scroll past each day. Its like deleting scam from your email.

    2. Its literally driving people away from the board which has been an amazing resource in helping people escape the WT and S.

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    @Me.Wonderful: life isn’t quite that simple dear. People don’t pose a threat because they want to move and work, nobody is saying that. If you get your talking points from CNN, then you believe the wrong thing about libertarians like me and right-wingers in general. Please do some research before spouting such non-sense.

    All of us believe our own doctors, none of us are refusing blood transfusion based on Bible verses. There are questions to be raised, the fact that questions aren’t allowed on some topics as you seem to suggest, we should just accept what the Watchtower CDC (which is a political organization, not a scientific one) tells us, hits a raw nerve with many of us.

    We should be allowed to do our own risk assessments, we should be allowed to make decisions on our own health, we should be allowed to see the data.

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    It seems to me that the Watchtower is dying on it's posterior and there is little more to discuss anymore. ~ Punk

    I agree. JW Land is BORING! There is nothing new to discuss. Even my full-in JW mother complains that the WT rags are same ol' shit. Nothing new.

    There are plenty of posts (and poster) that I just pass over. I'd rather do that than leave the site, tho I must admit I do not see that many new Leaving-JW's coming here lately.

  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister
    Meanwhile Over at Reddit it's 95% total crap with stupid kids asking dumb question

    You won't get any argument from me on that score.

    There's absolutely zero freedom to express your views unless it accords with prevailing beliefs and even though those beliefs often do coincide with my own, it drives me mad that people can't express differing opinions!!

    There's so many knee jerk responses if you even BEGIN to say anything positive about Jehovah's witnesses, even if it's A) True and B) almost totally unrelated to cult life.

    For example I dared to suggest that I've known some damned good Jehovah's witness marriages (or ones that began as such) and that the basis for many worldly marriages are just as superficial as watchtower ones (ie lust, money, what kind of motorbike, music, job or tattoos someone possesses 😜🤣) and even though I assured them it was a big generalisation you would have thought I'd suggested that everyone get married by watchtower moonie style!!!

  • Simon
    Simon

    I love how people seem to imagine that years ago all we did was debate the bible in depth in between talking about rainbows and kittens.

    Maybe you scrolled past the WoMD / Iraq War discussions? It was like fight-club at times! Disclaimer: I've never actually seen that movie, I just hope the title applies - it must have fighting in, right? My fall back was "the Karate Kid" ... 'cause it too has fighting ...

    Maybe that's the trick - to just do some scrolling if there's a discussion you don't like.

    What we won't be doing is falling for the bleating whines of those who would like to silence some points of view from being discussed. They are easy to spot - they use labels like "right wing" for anything they disagree with as though there are actual real-live jack-booted fascists marching around, when in reality it's usually just people expressing a mildly conservative opinion that is simply not extremist socialist.

    If you don't like the forum or the way it's run, your browser has a button where you can register your complaint: on Windows, it's an X in the top right, on Mac, it's a red-circle on the top left.

  • redvip2000
    redvip2000
    Especially when you consider that for many questioning Jws this site may be the first they click on. If it looks to be mostly a political place then they may just click out again and who knows if they will click elsewhere to get the help they need?

    This is not a bad point actually.

    I think the issue is that many of us have left the bORG several years ago, and as the years go by, we begin to care less about it. I know when I first left, that's all I could think about, but now not really as much.

    Also I think the bORG does not offer a lot of updates to discuss these days.

  • carla
    carla

    I was thinking about this topic the other day and was remembering the long and in depth posts by many erudite posters. I am sure you and remember many of those posts, I will not name them because I'm sure I would leave some important person out. Over the recent years many older ex jw's have said how the org has changed and they seem to write to a 4th- 6th grade level. I wonder if some of the newer ones leaving may not have the same grasp of doctrine in general as some of the older folks?

    If that is the case, then naturally the newbies would not have the same conversations that the older posters remember (some of who went on to become theological professors, or actual real ministers with college educations, etc..) If you asked a current jw to discuss how 1914 was arrived at, flip flops on generation, changes in baptism questions, flip flops on rape, flip flops on organ donations, and on and on, a current/younger jw probably has no idea of these things. They might even accuse you of lying (which my jw did).

    When my jw first joined up later in life I threw the book at him (my mistake and I do not recommend it) on flip flops including the picture of jw's celebrating Christmas. He denied, denied, denied until he finally had to admit it was true because some elder told him so.

    I think some newbies may not care as much about actual doctrines but are more concerned with how leaving will affect their personal life and family relationships. Can't blame them for that, we have all seen those stories and most of you have lived it. Maybe it is better they are not quite as indoctrinated as the older folks? (Biblically/doctrinally speaking) or at some sort of different level? I dunno.

  • MeanMrMustard
    MeanMrMustard
    Especially when you consider that for many questioning Jws this site may be the first they click on. If it looks to be mostly a political place then they may just click out again and who knows if they will click elsewhere to get the help they need?

    This is not a bad point actually.

    I'm not so sure. This is, after all, an ex-JW site. Once you get past the idea that an all powerful being is going to organize life for you, politics becomes much more relevant. It matters to ex-JWs infinitely more than current members.

    The argument above posits that the ex-JW community should keep the conversion less scary to active JWs, lest they see the frightening political speak and run back to the organization. In other words, we shouldn't be free here because of the WTBTS' hold over us through others. Fork that.

  • Simon
    Simon
    I wonder if some of the newer ones leaving may not have the same grasp of doctrine in general as some of the older folks?
    I think some newbies may not care as much about actual doctrines but are more concerned with how leaving will affect their personal life and family relationships.

    Definitely this.

    The WTS members are way less "hardcore" than they were 30, 40, 50+ years ago. Back then it was all people searching for seeking answers and bible prophecy. Nowadays it's people looking for a lifestyle channel to follow. There's less investment and so less to walk away from.

    The only consideration is the personal relationships because it was rarely about genuine "belief" because who believes shit anymore? It's about "your truth" and "your experience" after all, not absolute truth.


  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    Carla's final point is good one : " Maybe it is better they are not quite as indoctrinated as the older folks? (Biblically/doctrinally speaking) or at some sort of different level? I dunno."

    It is a good thing we do not have to battle hardly at all now about Doctrine, I admire all those old Posters who did, and at the time it was beneficial to many, but it must have been wearisome hard work !

    I happen to think that most JW's now waking up would be put off by long discussions on Doctrines they knew or cared little about, rather than Political discussions they can easily avoid if they are not for them. We are all here to help them in practical ways, if they want.

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