Great Tribulation and Trump

by TakeOffTheCrown 193 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • schnell
    schnell
    you can share verifiable evidence - not arguments, not conclusions, not speculatively based - that contradicts the Bible, I would love to see it.

    Are you sure it wouldn't be drivel?

    Fortunately, the Bible makes claims about the world we live in which we can check. You have relics and sites from around the world that contradict the chronology of the Bible. Or how else does you explain going from 8 people in 2370 BCE to the Great Pyramid of Giza? How do you reconcile the relics from around Europe, Mexico, Argentina, China, and Australia that are tens of thousands of years old, some of which are even from the time around, before, and after the flood in places where the Bible's narrative would claim people should not yet be?

    How do you reconcile our genome and its 98% commonality with chimpanzees? How do you explain the voluminous fossils of Neanderthals, Flores Dwarves and other hominids? How about the Neanderthal genome?

    And frankly, how are you not aware of the evidence contradicting the Bible's narrative? How do YOU explain the science of the Bible's narrative?

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman

    Are you sure it wouldn't be drivel? Rhetoric

    You have relics and sites from around the world that contradict the chronology of the Bible Conclusion Or how else does you explain going from 8 people in 2370 BCE to the Great Pyramid of Giza? Conclusion

    How do you reconcile the relics from around Europe, Mexico, Argentina, China, and Australia that are tens of thousands of years old, conclusion some of which are even from the time around, before, and after the flood in places where the Bible's narrative would claim people should not yet be? Conclusion

    How do you reconcile our genome and its 98% commonality with chimpanzees? How is this proof that contradicts the Bible.

    How do you explain the voluminous fossils of Neanderthals, Flores Dwarves and other hominids? How about the Neanderthal genome? Prove they were not human.

    And frankly, how are you not aware of the evidence contradicting the Bible's narrative? How do YOU explain the science of the Bible's narrative? (If you want JW commentary ('reconcile') you know where to look, no point in rehashing jw position on scientific speculation.)

    This is all rhetoric and shifting the burden of proof back to me: 'How do you reconcile, etc'

    All you need to show is anything verifiable that contradicts the bible. For example, proof such was running around during 2370 BCE? You have not done that.

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    The biblical "Great Tribulation" was a local event that took place in 70 AD centering on the temple, Jerusalem and Judaea and the mountains beyond. It has absolutely nothing to do with Trump and the USA.

  • Stealth
    Stealth

    The GT will happen when a solar mass ejection takes out all power grids shutting down all computer systems. It will have nothing to do with Trump or the bible.

  • schnell
    schnell

    Have fun in the cult, fisherman. I look forward to the Judgment Day tract when you get it.

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel
    Vanderhoven7 » The biblical "Great Tribulation" was a local event that took place in 70 AD centering on the temple, Jerusalem and Judaea and the mountains beyond.

    And how do you know this? What of the parts that were not fulfilled?

    And what of the battle of Gog and Magog? Jerusalem under attack. Judah gathered from the nations of the earth. Most of Jerusalem sacked. As I stated earlier, it just doesn't fit.


  • Fisherman
    Fisherman
    As I stated earlier, it just doesn't fit.

    And then, Jesus said he would return and every eye would see him, and separation of sheep and goats, etc. All these things did not happen in 70. Although the Bible does record that Jesus predicted the destruction of Jerusalem back then, there is no evidence that the gentile times mentioned in Luke ended in 70 CE. In fact, Jerusalem was trampled by the Roman armies - literally - back then. Everything in the Bible points to a culmination, Judgement Day for all nations, not just the Jews.

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    Cold Steel and Fisherman,

    How often do you pray that your flight not be in winter?

    How about not on a Sabbath?

    Are you taking precautions so that you/your wife won't get pregnant?

    What mountains have you decided to run to?

    The synoptics support that the tribulation Jesus spoke about would be a local event that would be experienced by the generation then living.


    Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

    Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

    Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled in the holy place. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

    Albert Barnes comments: "Standing in the holy place - Mark says, standing where it ought not,” meaning the same thing. All Jerusalem was esteemed “holy,” Mat_4:5. The meaning of this is, when you see the Roman armies standing in the holy city or encamped around the temple, or the Roman ensigns or standards in the temple."

    Very little is ascribed the word holy in the gospels. God, Jesus, the city and it's temple uniquely qualify. God's holy presence in the temple remained until the death of Christ, when the temple veil was ripped from top to bottom (i.e. from above) exposing the fact that God's holy presence was removed and the temple desolate as Jesus ominous prophetic pronouncement indicated. (see Matthew 23:38)This act of God symbolized the permanent removal of God's presence accompanying the nations rejection of their messiah; Israel's greatest loss made this the worst unrepeatabe disaster possible for Israel. The complete physical destruction of the holy temple (as a witness to the nations) ratified this divine rejection for the entire world to see for all time... to which the Dome of the Rock and the wailing wall continue to attest.

    The great tribulation being a one-time,non-repeatable event in history; a fairly local event affecting the Jews (this people) in and around Jerusalem and ultimately leading to their death or dispersion among the nations.

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman

    The great tribulation being a one-time,non-repeatable event in history; a fairly local event affecting the Jews (this people) in and around Jerusalem and ultimately leading to their death or dispersion among the nations.

    That is only an erroneous opinion.

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    Fisherman

    • The great tribulation being a one-time,non-repeatable event in history; a fairly local event affecting the Jews (this people) in and around Jerusalem and ultimately leading to their death or dispersion among the nations.

      <<That is only an erroneous opinion.>

    20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

    21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

    22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

    23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

    24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

    How do you understand verse 24? Where are the Jews today? Will the Jews in Jerusalem be shipped off as captives into all nations.... again?

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