I believe in Evolution and that God created life

by Crabby 154 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Landy

    Crabby, please stop being a cock.

  • Daniel1555


    I believe the same. It's called theistic evolution.

  • Vidqun

    Viv, as creator of Viv'sw Law, I would like your opinion on the following: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLb_VYomZkQ

    To follow the reasoning, you'll have to watch the whole thing. Thanks in anticipation.

  • Landy
    I believe the same. It's called theistic evolution.

    A theory that raises a lot more questions than it answers.

  • prologos

    L: "A theory that raises a lot more questions than it answers.-- the beauty is in the questions. the trouble with wt is: they provide the questions you are allowed to answer. It is hard to make life work, to start something successfully, why should it have been different in the beginning of the cosmos, beginning of life? the rest, development seems easy.

  • Landy
    It is hard to make life work

    It only had to happen once though - the odds aren't as slim as you think.

  • cofty

    Vidqun - This is called a discussion forum. Discussion isn't the same thing as demanding somebody watch almost an hour of ill-informed pseudo-science.

    If you think the video makes any compelling points then present them succinctly in your own words.

    DNA is the most important evidence for evolution.

    #1 Protein Functional Redundancy
    Comparing the sequences of amino acids in ubiquitous proteins confirms the relationship between all living things.

    #2 DNA Functional Redundancy
    Comparison of the DNA that codes for the amino acids of ubiquitous proteins predicts the tree of life with an astonishing degree of accuracy.

    #3 ERVs
    Endogenous retroviruses that infected our ancestors are found in the same place of the genome of our closest primate cousins.

    #4 Smelly Genes
    Hundreds of broken genes that used to code for olfactory receptors in our ancestors are still found in our genome.

    #5 Vitamin C
    Why humans can no longer make their own vitamin C and what that tells us about our species' history.

    #6 Human Chromosome 2
    Our second biggest chromosome is made up of two of our ancestors' chromosomes stuck end-to-end.

    #7 Human Egg Yolk Gene
    Humans and our primate cousins have the genes for making vitellogenin and they are all broken in the same way.

    #8 Jumping Genes
    Bits of parasitic code called ALU elements prove our common ancestry with primates.

    #9 Less Chewing More Thinking
    A broken gene for a type of muscle fibre we no longer have tells a story about our evolutionary past.

    #10 Non-Coding DNA
    In common with many other species huge amounts of our genome originated as copying errors.

    #26 Colour Vision...
    How gene duplication - new "information" -and mutation equipped us with trichromatic vision.

    #29 Use it or Lose it...
    Fossil genes reveal the history of modern species.

  • Vidqun

    Cofty, I wanted Viv to follow the reasoning, and point out flaws, if any. She's the expert, don't you know?

    In any case, here's a summary:

    Laws of information and information science are the following:

    1) Anything material such as physical/chemical processes cannot create something non-material. E.g., information.

    2) Information is a non-material fundamental entity and not a property of matter.

    3) Information requires a material medium for storage and transmission (E.g. books, CD, DVD, etc.).

    4) Information cannot originate in statistical processes.

    5) There can be no information without code.

    6) All codes result from an intentional choice and agreement between sender and recipient.

    7) The determination of meaning for and from a set of symbols is a mental process that requires intelligence.

    8) There can be no new information without an intelligent purposeful sender.

    9) Any give chain of information can be traced back to an intelligent source (E.g. radio announcer, radio waves, radio).

    10) Information comprises the non-material foundation for all

    Technological systems

    Works of Art

    Biological systems

  • cofty
    6. All codes result from an intentional choice and agreement between sender and recipient

    There is no recipient in DNA. It's all just electrons doing their thing.

    In DNA, information is just a metaphor.

  • cofty

    If you have the intellectual honesty to face up to a scientific refutation of creationist's abuse of information theory here are a couple of links.

    Talk Origins... (follow the links)


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