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How it happened....
by AK - Jeff in
1. jw
2. experiences
i was reflecting today on just how it happened.

how did i, a man who believed himself to be a clean worshiper of the most holy god, have a crisis of faith that resulted in my current state of affairs?

how did i get here, when i was not sure even which way the wind was about to blow me?.
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I can't believe how many people are leaving now...
by mac n cheese in
1. jw
2. friends
(sorry if this is a double post - i haven't been on in awhile).

so spouse and i are completely inactive.

it's great!
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Watchtower's Jesus = Michael doctrine
by Ding in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i've never really understood the watchtower's teaching on jesus being michael.

here is what i understand they teach:.

1. jehovah's first creation was the archangel michael.. 2. jesus was nothing more than a perfect man, not michael the archangel in human form.. 3. rather, when jesus was conceived in mary, michael went out of existence and his impersonal life force was put into jesus (analogous to sharing the same pacemaker).. 4. when jesus died, his impersonal life force went back into a recreated archangel michael.. .
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non-believer RANT
by loosie in
1. jw
2. experiences
i know i live in the bible belt but why is it such a big deal if a person doesn't believe in god, why do christians get personally offended by it?.

i have friends that are christians, taoist, mormon, wiccan, buddists, catholic, athestis and agnostics.

i like my friends for the qualities that they have not the god or lack of that they believe in.. what i don't understand is why christians take it so personally when you tell them that you are an athesist?
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Bethel Rules
by brotherdan in
1. jw
2. experiences
this was brought up just in passing on another thread.

but i wanted to see if there are any bethelites or ex bethelites that remember some of the crazy rules we had to follow when we were there..
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144,000
by the prospector in
1. jw
2. friends
how can the gb teach that the number 144,000 at rev 7.4 is a literal fixed number?.

they teach that the 12 tribes of 12,000 each at rev 7.5-8 are symbolic and the anointed don't have to be literal israelites.. so either all of it is literal or all of the descriptions of these numbers in rev are symbolic also?.

the prospector.
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Finally talked to my dad about it...
by gutted in
1. jw
2. experiences
last night i finally talked to my dad about some of my views and problems with being a witness.

he brought it up as he heard i am no longer going to meetings.. .

his line of reasoning was interesting, though very similar to "it's god's organization, just follow it".
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The Sleeping Spirit Doctrine...Can "You" Survive?
by Cold Steel in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
my late grandmother died in terror of having her spirit sleep at death.

just before she died, she was inundated by reading material from my aunt (who's jw).

it made her think of the cold clay in the grave as her destination after death, even if it was temporary.
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Why have all predictions about END TIMES been proved false?
by Terry in
1. watchtower
2. bible
) on gen. 15:13 (luther martin, date setters, guardian of truth, sept. 15, 1994).

(luther martin, date setters, guardian of truth, sept. 15, 1994).

(luther martin, date setters, guardian of truth, sept. 15, 1994).
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Do you believe the "Conscious Class" will be saved? (CHRISTIANS ONLY)
by brotherdan in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
there are thousands of people sill trapped in the organization that realize that it cannot be what it claims to be: god's only true organization.

but do you think that these ones that still believe in christ and his crucifixtion will still be saved?

after all, salvation does not come from an organization.