jacethespace
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Honest jws
by jacethespace inthe honest truth about jehovahs witnesses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfdirpdbqgw.
makes you laugh!.
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The origin of angels and demons
by jacethespace ingenesis 6:1-2- and it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born unto them.2 that the sons of god saw the daughters of men that they were fair and they took them wives of all which they chose.. 4 there were giants in the earth in those days and also after that when the sons of god came in unto the daughters of men and they bare children to them the same became mighty men which were of old men of renown.. some intresting questions to ask jws who come to see you:.
1 has god given angels the power and capability to reproduce?.
2 how did the sons of god come to the earth and take women for themselves and there women produce children if they could not reproduce?.
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losing the plot for jehoovah
by jacethespace inhas anyone ever met people whithin the kingdom mall that are seriously mentally unstable to the point of completly losing it?.
for example ive heard from members of my cong that we once had a guy who believed he was an angel and would try to eat the bread and wine at the memorial evening[ and the elders would stop him].theres been many others ive heard of.at one assembly a poor old guy was giving a talk and i overheard someone i know mention how " he gives good talks but hes had a big nervous breakdown over the years".
i was suspicous when i heard these things then but now all these things start to fit into place.i mean how can an organization who professes gods backing have so much mental instability.. .
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is watchtower growing or shrinking
by jacethespace init still seems like a dillema to me as the watchtower seems to teach whats in the bible really well, although these days i can see a few scriptures which have been twisted and deep down i have never trusted the new world translation.. but on the other hand the statistics dont seem to add up at all.for example since i have been in my congregation despite the inportance placed on jws to be out on field circus only the odd few accept mags on the doors all others just couldnt be bothered.my local congregation has not really grown and brought in the so called right hearted ones.the odd few have come in but mainly growth seems to come from jws that have left their country and come to britain esp from zimbabwe thats seems popular.in fact ive saw a number leave.. plus my book study group in my neighbourhood for tuesday evenings has not grown at all despite the odd study here and there and a few people having the mags.im im left thinking come on out of all the people in my area only this small group here is expecting to be saved and they arent anything special not any better than anyone else.. id like to know what if any growth in congregations others have seen and how many people respond etc?.
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youtube video on jws depression
by jacethespace inthis is a very good video on the connection between jws and depression talking to an ex elder and an ex circuit overseer who is a phschologist and while a co he spent time helping people in the congs with their depression.and started to discover just how linked mental illness and jws watchtower control is.well worth watching.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co-b65w-zqs
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where to go from here?
by jacethespace insome of you on here know that i have been fading for sometime now and stopped going to meetings for quite a while but the past month or so i have returned.i am still just not sure whether at the end jws will be found to be gods people or not.. well today i attended the early sunday meeting eager to try and do what i still think could be right and despite the doubts i have about the watchtower.. now to be fair a number of people came and spoke to me said hello and stuff.the majority just didnt bother.but what really got me today was a number of people who i thought were my friends were just hateful.i even held the door open for one of them and they just were so hatefull and gave me funny looks as if i had the plague or something.i left feeling like this is no diffrent to any other religion.
some nice and other people not so nice.all i could think of on the way home was so much for jehovah never forgetting what you have done for him.im starting to wonder whether the bible is really gods word after all.. i just feel im at a fork in the road and dont know what to do for the best..
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Songs that reflect the tower
by jacethespace inwhat is everyones favourite song that best describes there experience in the tower and their exit form it?.
this is mine http://http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3744443266557702508&q=pink+floyd+brick+in+the+wall&total=2005&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0.
when i heard the lyrics to this i thought it resembled my experience then when veiwing the vid i thought it definatly did.warning some of the vid might be a bit overthetop.. this is the sort of song i would love to turn up loud in the car and walk out of a meeting with the elders to.
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A matter of conscience
by jacethespace inthis is a good way to prevent jehovahs witlesses form knocking your door.. maybe they need a special talk on whether this is a matter of conscience or " you should stand firm under no circumstances are you to touch those....... .
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New world transmutation
by jacethespace insearching the new world translation transmutation and examining it with the king james has opened my eyes to a few things not that i didnt notice and wonder about these before, i did i just ignored it and trusted the faithfull and discreet slave driver at the time.. in john 5:4 of the king james bible it says- for an angel went down at a certain season into the pool and troubled the water whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.. in john 5:4 of the n.w.t it says 4-- absolutley nothing?
they left it blank probably because this doesnt fit in with the usual traditional bullcrud beliefs.. john 20:25 says- consequently the other disciples would say to him " we have seen the lord" but he said to them unless i see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side i will certainly not believe [ although centuries later we expect you all to believe without sticking anything anywhere- made up bit .
main point there though is wasnt jesus crucified on a torture stake.. thats funny i thought jesus had one nail put through his wrists.not two nails.. does anyone have any more evidence of alterations in the new world translation?
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jws and organ donors
by jacethespace injehovahs witnesses used to view organ donors/ transplants as cannabalism and as such these things were banned in the org some years ago.. some questions ive been wondering about - how serious did the org take this belief back then.. was it as big as blood transfusions today.. did people in the org die from refusing organ donors.
what is the history of this belief and why did they drop it in the end.. what scriptures did the org twist use to justify this stance..