Reminds me of when I said to the JWs,
'I'll be your dawg!' and got baptised with garbage.
Reminds me of when I said to the JWs,
'I'll be your dawg!' and got baptised with garbage.
i thought i have relatively had everything figured out, like life, death, god does he exist or does he not.
is the bible make believe?.
can we really be sure that it is inspired, after all we were not around to see the process being done.
It is amazing that life lives in each of us. We all share that!
I think this is what many spiritual teachers have referred to down the millennia.
Whatever you seek already exists and is within you - not without.
In the stillness of your soul you know it's there whilst everyone else goes about their noisy lives. Only you have what you have in that second of consciousness that you engage with.
Maybe it will be yours for eternity.
If so it may be wise to learn to treat it well and with respect for its a long time to have to live with yourself.
i was watching some program on the inquisition.
you know that thing christianity would love for you to forget happened.. when the court system of rome failed the christian courts took over they instituted trial by ordeal.. simply put any accused of a crime would be tortured tested to see if they were innocent by many forms of painful test to see if god would come to the accused's defence.
if they were innocent then no harm would happen to them because of their faith, of course pretty much 100% of the time they were hurt an were summarily executed punished with all the love of jesus in mind.. atheist should due the same accuse all of christians of crimes and force them into trial by ordeal to prove their innocence and backed by god.
I was answering a multiple choice about suchlike stuff and realised how skewed they can become.
The question said - if you knew someone was witholding info about a catastrophic event due to take place, would torture be acceptable to save the lives of innocents?
The question is almost rhetorical!
If you knew they knew it would be pretty nasty but necessary to gain information to save innocents, but the reality often is not so clear cut. Many are suspected of this or that and treated as such when in fact they may be wholly innocent.
This is the ballpark.
And those who 'suspect' may well be far more dysfunctional souls than those they interogate but with a license to do so.
Is there an answer - I don't think so!
i posted the question last night, to try to get some jw's take on the matter.
of course most of them are really showing how brainwashed they are, by quoting the letter almost word for word, gas prices rising etc.. i personally feel that its wonderful, as my parents are getting older and they've been doing 3 meetings a week since the early 1960's.
the way i posted the question, i kind of insinuated that i was a jw struggling with the loss of the meeting.
Reading those replies reminds me how psychologically sick all the elders and POs and COs are following the WT delusional 'slave of Jehovah' and passing the buck of slavery to publishers.
I am no authority but I know for sure how conditioned they have been via lifes events for them.
Maybe they have eeked out a happy nueron aura amongst like minds but the same is sure to be found in any tribe anyplace.
Their sickness is in their insular teachings and attitudes.
I realise how their doctrine is mathematically arranged to ensure any follower is disabled once baptised with only them as an emergency unit.
Every set of reasoning leads to the WT - whether you disagree, have an opinion, experience hardship or whateva - every set of reasoning that takes a person away from the WT is mathematically blasted by sets of scriptures to inflict guilt and suffering. They have spent over a century fine tuning their system to ensnare individuals into this life prison psychology of theirs and it stinks. If they fall it wont be due to Biblical prophecy but due to their own cruelty inflicted on souls tricked and ruined by their ruthless dogma.
well, the elders are coming over tomorrow for a shepherding call with me and my wife.
i am sure they will discuss my low hours in the field ministry and how i am not doing everything i could be doing.
for my wife's sake, i will be good and mostly "smile and nod".
When the emperor rides through the city square stark naked and you know why the elders say he's fully dressed in clothes you paid towards, do you agree with them that the clothes are indeed magnificent, or do you simply state he's stark bollock naked and why is everyone deluding everyone?
What president are you setting for yourself and those around you?
Maybe one day you gotta just put your head on the block? But each to their own!
i thought long and hard about posting this but the mis-information on this site finally persuaded me, i already accept many may not accept what i say on face value and get their appologist pens ready for making sure no pro-witness propaganda slips through the net on this site but here goes....... i've been on this forum for a few months my first post was about how i was thinking of returning to jw's and at my sisters recommendation to look at this site for both sides of the story before taking that step.. i faded from jw's 10/11 years ago now i left my hubby at the time divorced him to going on to have more relationships and kids, i was definately given the impression after asking on this site and with what i read that if i tried to return i might face df or at least a jc but definately a couple of elders questioning me over what i've been upto these last few years - none of these have happened.
i talked with an old jw friend (yes i do have then and she never shunned me quite happily accepted an offer of coffee from me and my asking for a chat) i told her i was interested in going back and was very frank about what i done in the last 10 years but not sure how returning was done now, she quite happily said she go ask for me to find out.. result!
she came back this week and said "all i had to do was goto meetings again" and an offer of a study was there for me if i wanted it to explore the open doubts that i had expressed i now had.. not quite the fire and brimstone welcome this site led me to believe would happen.. i will keep you posted with further updates if i feel the need to put them in future.. .
Reniaa,
Some of us humans look for the best of a set of poor choices and go with the best choice for perceived self fulfilment.
But if that choice makes claims about itself which are lies I personally cannot sanction it - even if it is a best fit for me. I would rather suffer the poor mans reality than deceive my inner self with an enhanced one.
So it depends upon how each of us choose to live I suppose.
I know some people who would choose another mate for financial reasons and kid themselves it was for less selfish notions.
Sometimes spirituality and/or lifestyle amounts to the same sets of choices. We may kid ourselves we follow god when in fact we seek sanctity within a group of accepting others - a tribal feeling that we belong to friendly others. It feels more safe and wholesome than scouting through life as a solitary!
My advice is to see it for what it is and not to deceive yourself that you choose the unique divinity of the cosmos so you can aquire a friendly set of aquaintances! If it's friends you have found then realise that's all it amounts to - albeit you have to follow their guidebook of daily life!
sorry this is in red.
i do not see a way to change it to black.
this is excerpt from web page by fellow poster here at jwd.
This is another crazy bunkum ruling of religion.
If gos has a name surely the pronunciation of it is the same as it has been from whenever god decided upon it.
And we know how all pronunciations have altered down the ages so Jehovah was definitely NOT the pronounced name centuries ago!
Preoccupation with names for divinity is a crafty way to get you doing the secret hand shake with your grey matter.
Accept our name for divinity and we have you at our beck and call!
It's about control - again!
I think the crushing is all the more anaesthetising when it is a response or condemnation of your years of self sacrifice and perpetual goodwill and love.
Sometimes your whole soul opens wide with a cut from a sharply honed attitude in another/others which simply leaves you oozing blood from your inner soul and wondering why!
I believe the experience is like a breavement whilst noone has died.
Most peculiar and an immensely grieving experience. Maybe such things mutate who we are and I'm unsure about any positives, apart from possible wisdom that they bestow on us.
several months ago i was at an all time low.
i didn't know how to interact with life.
stuck in a big hole under a big rock.
Having a new perspective is awareness building.
Living it may become peculiar and awkward.
When the rock speaks and wants you to feel its pain which you had no inclination about!
When it wants no part in your future why would another rock ever appeal to Sysiphus?
What is there left for you to replicate the essence of ones life force.
Take the football from the footballer and what has he left?