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  How to explain the Overlapping Generations Doctrine

  by HiddenPimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so after much research i came to the following conclusion:.

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  OnTheWayOut

  If ever confronted by JW's attempting to "reason" with me, no matter what they say, I will say "...but that is subject to an overlap."
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  New publisher card with no home address / 2019

  by suavojr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sorry if this has been discussed but i cannot find any topic on this.

  i just saw my new publisher card and it now has my home address, date of birth and phone number removed.

  the elder said this was changed december 2018. does anyone know why this has happened in the usa?.

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  Your title says "no home address" and your comment says "now has my home address."
  
  I don't recall which it was. Which one is the latest- with or without your home address?
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  What’s The Worst Thing About Jehovah’s Witnesses?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  witnesses brag about their brotherhood and incredible love that exists within the organization.

  they say they are really the only true religion.

  is the jw religion the closest thing to jesus christ himself?.

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  The worst thing about JW's is what they do to kids- ostracize them from schoolmates, make them paranoid about wanting a piece of birthday cake or holiday candy, keep them from after-school activity, prevent them from regular dating as they grow older and tell them they shouldn't go to college.
  
  Kids are wired differently if they grow up JW. When they figure out it's all a cult, it's very hard for them to move into a regular life, plus they may lose all contact with people they love in their family.

  Oh, and they encourage them to say they would rather die before violating bullshit Watchtower laws about blood.
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  Why I now believe Jehovah's witnesses are a cult!

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i always tended to avoid using the word 'cult' to describe jehovah's witnesses.

  instead, i preferred referring to them as a 'high control group'.

  however, having watched the shocking and bizarre behaviour by so called jehovah's witness elders toward eric wilson (borean pickets), this now confirms beyond any doubt in my mind that the watchtower organisation is nothing more than a cult.. i would seriously encourage everyone to watch the video in it's entirety and see how truly cultlike they are.. my jaw still hitting the floor 😮.

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  When I left and had heard of (or even youtubed) information on judicial matters, I realized how much of a stooge I was on their side.

  I had been an elder at judicial matters and usually was the note-taker because I was pretty good at that.
  
  But to take somebody into a private meeting where the prosecution is the judge and jury also, to deny them another person for their own protection, let alone as a witness to deny charges, to prevent them from bringing notes in that might be evidential- all sheer folly.

  Further, I liked the valid comparison made here: Pedophiles know the rules about two or more witnesses and avoid that happening. Judicial Committees do the same thing to an accused- make sure there are not two or more witnesses to the procedures.
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  Looking for new Bethelites (May 2019 Broadcast)

  by George One Time in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wanted - young, healthy, unmarried brothers that do not look at pornography.

  of course they should not masturbate too, though we do not mention this requirement specifically.

  and they should be honest about it.

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  Hey, before I joke around- I have no problem with people being gay. But Watchtower does.
  
  That said, I just wonder if finding young people in the prime of their hormonal urges time of life, males who refrain from porn, masturbation, and then put them under strict control in an all-male environment wouldn't just cause them to experiment with homosexuality.

  I am reminded of a prison saying: "I am not gay, but sometimes you just hook a brother up to help him out."
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  I have to share these scriptures They all are speaking about Jesus.

  by niknak in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  he is the image of the invisible god,m the firstborn of all creation;n16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,owhether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities.

  all other things have been created through himp and for him.17 also, he is before all other things,q and by means of him all other things were made to exist, .

  the scriptures above are in nwt bible and are found in colossians 1:15-17. now take note of the following scriptures found in john 1:1-5.

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  New Testament scriptures (Christian Greek Scriptures if you must say that) are all about Jesus, so scriptures in the books all about Jesus are "speaking about Jesus."
  
  Well that ain't exactly a miracle.
  
  If I quoted "The Tragedy of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark" (or "HAMLET" for short), I could probably find a bunch of quotes that speak of "Hamlet."
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  NWT Being the Most Accurate

  by VIII in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was going through my old files and came upon an email between some family that i was privy to.

  it is about the nwt bible and alex trebek asking what is the most accurate bible, etc.

  i am copying and pasting this (for nathan natas...) so he will have so fun data to carry with him with that jw bible as he goes door-to-door.

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  I found the answer to this 12 years ago in this post: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/133542/nwt-on-jeopardy
  
  
  Here's what I said:
  
  

  So I get an email from a JW, good friend. He sends a bulk mail that was sent to him and spread around.
  Notice the main content:
  
  Subject: Fw: Bible Accuracy Recently on Jeopardy on TV, the questions was- What is the most accurate translation of the Holy Scriptures?
  No one got the correct answer, so Alex Trebek said "New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, printed by Watchtower Bible Tract Society.

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  So here was my answer: I researched Jeopardy archives, pretty easy to do. The site is J-archive.com. Just search for "Bible" and all the questions for a year or more come up. Search "New World Translation" and nothing comes up. This would be an opinion question, not a fact question, so they would avoid such a question. There was no such question with Alex saying "New World Translation." I googled the subject and it is discussed in various places on the web. This is the best possible reason why this untrue statement is circulating:
  it's a POWERPOINT GAME someone made up and posted on the internet and called it "Theology Jeopardy." It isn't the TV Jeopardy, and any common sense adult thinking person would know they would never endorse one over the other. For all we know, a Jw posted it and then used it as proof. Be careful what you email. Don't assume it's true because you read it.
  
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  What your first realization of hypocrisy in this Religion?

  by days of future passed in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my mother became a witness when i was five and i believed that every witness followed what was said at the meetings and the instructions given.

  my naive belief carried on until maybe i was 10?

  at the old conventions, volunteers would come early and pack fruit into net bags so that it could be sold at lunch.

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  As a fairly new elder, I observed that some of the experienced elders would protect their own families beyond the normal help extended to others. Sometimes, elders would even meet with their own families involved in Watch Tower defined sins and dismiss the case without forming a judicial committee, but would not extend that same kindness to others.
  
  I decided that I would extend that kindness to anyone in the congregation, connected or not, always if I could do so. We were supposed to kindly help people, so I would. If I were ever put on an "investigative committee" (two elders who gather information to see if a judicial committee of three was needed) I would almost always squash the matter. I would simply say that the person realized their wrong and we could inform the C.O.B.E. that there was no need to investigate further. If I were to become aware of Watch Tower-defined sin on my own (without another elder's knowledge) I would counsel the person myself and not even tell anyone about it. That's what the elders were doing for their families in my congregation and that's what I did for anyone.
  
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  Why the BIG 4.5 day elder "school"?

  by eyeuse2badub in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just wonderin' if anyone has heard of anything about something big going down in the borg?

  good friend of mine just told me today that he will be attending a 4.5 day elder "training school" all nest week!

  the "special" elder "schools" are usually only 2-3 days.. lots of dumbing down coming?.

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  I can guess- legal stuff about reporting to Watchtower about child sexual abuse allegations.
  Money stuff about better supporting the cult. Elders lead the way and proclaim "We need more money to send to Mother."
  How to deal with closing Kingdom Halls.
  Maybe- stop giving out literature except to the "worthy" ones. We really want to get out of the literature business.
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  Just wondering. . .for those that are Ex-Elders . . .

  by HappyBlessedFree in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  did your conscience ever bother you when you were counseling/reproving/disfellowshipping ones in the congregation?

  did it feel extreme or justified based on your biblical understanding at the time.

  also are there any ex-elders here that dealt with child abuse accusations?

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  Did your conscience ever bother you when you were counseling/reproving/disfellowshipping ones in the congregation? Did it feel extreme or justified based on your biblical understanding at the time.

  This young lady came to me and confessed that she was involved in heavy petting with the young man.

  It wasn't even sex that the two were involved in, they were both still virgins. Unfortunately,

  prolonged heavy petting is considered the sin of "loose conduct" among Jehovah's Witnesses and can

  require a judicial committee to address the violation of the rules. I wanted to tell her to forget

  about it and just be careful in the future, but it was clear that she felt that she had committed

  some awful sin against Jehovah and must face the proper discipline in order to be forgiven.

  So the judicial committee was formed and I was the chairman. It was a simple case. She confessed

  when we met with her and the way these things are handled, she would have to step down from her

  pioneering work since no glorified titles can be retained by sinners (except the elders). She was

  very embarrassed by the whole situation and was going to be glad it was over. What a shame it

  wasn't over. Despite her insistence on bringing her terrible sin to Jehovah through the elders,

  the young lady was already changed by this matter. She was so fragile and didn't want anyone else

  to know what had happened.

  One of the other two elders on the committee felt that we needed to make

  an example of her to the congregation. He said that there are many young ones just like her that

  need to know that it is easy to fall victim to our own treacherous hearts when getting involved

  with the opposite sex. He wanted to announce to the congregation that she was "reproved." I told

  the other elder that no such announcement needed to be made. We could announce that she was no

  longer a pioneer, but to let the congregation draw their own conclusions as to why that was so.

  An "announcement of reproof" is only necessary when the matter is widely known. The other elder

  said that the matter could become widely known. I disagreed and told him that if I were wrong, the

  procedure was to make an announcement later if and when the matter became widely known. Further, I

  told him that we shouldn't put people through a bunch of embarrassment and use them as warning

  examples to the congregation.

  He knew I was right, but didn't want to let it go. As the chairman,

  I told him we would not make such an announcement unless all three elders on the committee agreed

  to it, and I would not agree to it. This elder decided to go around me. If congregation elders are

  ever unsure on how to handle a matter, they can call Watch Tower's "Service Desk" (the people who

  direct these matters) for procedural clarifications. This elder called Watch Tower on his own

  (instead of insisting that all 3 of us contact them) and he related the situation in some manner

  until they insisted that an announcement must be made that this woman had met with a judicial

  committee and was reproved.

  The "service desk" at Watch Tower called our coordinator of the elders and told him that the

  chairman (me) must make that announcement. I was told all this during a congregation meeting just

  minutes before the announcements were to be made and had to go out in front of the audience (and

  this young lady) on a moment's notice to do this. The further embarrassment the young lady received

  from my announcement and people gossiping about her nearly destroyed her. She actually never spoke

  to me again because she initially came to me for help and I made that announcement. I think one

  good thing came out of that- she learned never to confide in the elders again.