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  Material such as the film at the end of this years convention confirms that I was right to take my kids out the religion

  by jambon1 in

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  it’s quite affirming to see the horrific material that they’re serving up at the convention this year.

  aside from blatant homophobia, the scenes at the end of the convention that are discussed on another thread stoop to new levels of fear mongering.

  it seems to occur to nobody inside the organisation that this kind of material could trigger fear, deprsssion, anxiety, stress.

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  I get that people like my wife have to be ready on their own to get out of the religion.
  But I have to fully agree with the idea of the opening post. If I had kids, I would do whatever was necessary to get them out of this dangerous mind-control cult.
  
  The video clearly tells viewers: Stand up for JW teachings no matter how difficult that is and the heavenly army will save you when attacked at the horrible time right around the next corner.
  
  That is just so much pressure on people, based on their lie of over a hundred years now.
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  "World conditions have never been as bad as they are now"

  by Sour Grapes in

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  2. experiences

  i went to a funeral yesterday and ran into a jdub.

  of course, he approached me and it didn't take more than a minute into the conversation for him to get into the jdub gloom and doom mode.

  he said that world conditions have never been as bad as they are now.. i looked straight into his eyes and said, "i think that world conditions were a lot worse during world war two.".

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  Europe during the Black Death of 1340's. 200 million deaths across Europe and Asia. It took 300 years for world population to get back to the same level.
  
  The Americas during early colonization. An unknown number of "Native Americans" between 10 and 100 million people were alive prior to colonization. European diseases spread across the land and killed entire communities, if not outright, then because caring for the very sick allowed not enough people to hunt or gather. Possibly 90 percent of the population was wiped out, and if so, this was worse than the Black Death by percentage. The remainder was much easier to defeat by warfare and economic methods.
  
  Many remember growing up to hear about starvation in China. Well, in the 1950's and 60's, they were changing from an agricultural society to an industrial one, the change being forced by the Communist rulers. Between the change and natural disasters, millions starved to death.
  
  There are horrible times in history.
  
  
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  What do you think?

  by JRK in

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  2. friends

  if a decades-long apostate decides that they should marry a semi-active jw, what odds would you put on the viability of the marriage?

  if not viable, how long before the shit would hit the fan?

  jk.

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  You're luckier than you know. Love ya, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

  
  Ain't that the truth.
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  CO asked for everyone 20 years old & younger for a group photo

  by LevelThePlayingField in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there was a co visit in ohio a couple weeks ago.

  when he was finishing up his sunday talk he said that he would like if "all the children that are from this congregation, not if you're just visiting, but from this congregation to come on up on the stage right after the meeting because i want to get a picture of you.".

  i thought to myself, why?

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  I imagine they show that to the child after s/he is an adult when they are thinking of leaving the Borg.
  "Look at that young person ready to serve, surrounded by friends. What happened to that person?"
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  What do you think?

  by JRK in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if a decades-long apostate decides that they should marry a semi-active jw, what odds would you put on the viability of the marriage?

  if not viable, how long before the shit would hit the fan?

  jk.

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  I would say that both parties are not thinking it all through- the semi-active one might have elders crawling up their ass with questions and the apostate will suddenly be declared as "fellowshipping" with active ones so that maybe they need to be "dis-fellowshipped." (If they are already disfellowshipped, then the semi-active one has much more to answer about.)
  
  The shit hits the fan in short order- within 4 weeks of telling the elders about being married.
  
  Of course, you could just not tell them. I don't know that there's a rule that they gotta know everything.
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  How far will they go?

  by Gorbatchov in

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  2. friends

  imagine: you have inside information that could destroy the watchtower corporations.. how far would they go to protect the assets?.

  would they kill?

  no strange question in blackwater etc days.. g..

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  People have dirt on Scientology. The religion spends money to bring THE PERSON down, not to pay them off.
  In the long run, they continue onward and the "dirt" doesn't destroy them. Leah Remini seems untouchable, yet the church continues onward.
  
  The ancient texts of Mormonism in THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM have been proven to be false once Egyptian hieroglyphics were translated. Yet the church exists.
  
  I imagine Watchtower would know all that and not offer money, not pay a hired killer, maybe hire a lawyer and certainly hire a private investigator to discredit the person, discovering their internet porn history or involvement in bankruptcy or anything apostate-seeming to say their information is false.
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  Paranormal stuff: is it a cultural thing? Rant ahead

  by Whynot in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  paranormal stuff is common where my family is from it's almost expected.

  native american background, my great grandmother was a witch doctor a damn good one too, my non witness relatives dabble in it.

  so i have seen stuff and experienced stuff.

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  I am willing to take on the thoughts on "the God of the Bible" and certainky will argue against an omnibenevolent and or all-knowing god out there.

  From research, I believe weird things exist and have existed. And we don't know all there is to know on so much. But I already butt heads with god-believers who insist the burden of proving a negative is on me. (You can't prove the invisible unicorn DOESN'T exist.)

  So I bow out of the direction this tgread is going in, but add that "oh yes, JW's freak out at anything with spiritism, magic, demons, dead people."
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  How does mankind know what happen before we were created??

  by James Mixon in

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  2. bible

  for example, "and god said, let there be light: and there was light.

  "a personal and vocal god said, "let there be light.

  "so god saw the light, and thought it good, but how did the priestly scribe know that he did?

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  It is clearly alleged that God inspired Moses to write that, word-for-word.

  So, when the narrative gets weird- like God-approved raping, murduring, pillaging, and long lists of silly rules like it is okay to beat your slave but only nearly to death- then that's all on God. Not on the men who actuallly wrote it all.
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  I Went To My Brother’s Memorial Service at the Kingdom Hall

  by minimus in

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  i have to say that the talk was very good.

  instead of just repeating a jw manual , the speaker actually spoke about my brother!

  there were a few scriptures with the jw hope but 80 % of the talk was actually about the life of my brother.

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  80 % of the talk was actually about the life of my brother.

  I am glad you got to hear that. But I will assume your brother was at least a fairly big fish in the pond (locally important and/or well known). They might violate the rules for an elder or certainly a male elder pioneer.
  
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  Overlapping Generations

  by JRK in

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  i remember when that came out, my mother didn't catch it in the original article in the wt.

  it was in one of the review "do you remember" thingies that she caught it.

  she asked me if it means what she thought it meant.

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  What I don't understand is why there wasn't a mass exodus from the religion when they came up with that bullshit. I would have thought half would have left.

  
  Yes. Had I not already woke up or if I were awake but "physically in, mentally out," I am quite confident that I would have stood up during the coverage of that "overlapping generation" in the Watchtower study and loudly stated "Overlapping generation? Did the pull that out of [either "thin air" or "their asses" ?] F$#k this, I am outta here."

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  dropoffyourkeylee
  I think the 1995 generation change had more significance than the overlapping generation change. Before '95 most people really did believe in the 1914 generation thing. After '95 I think the average JW, if they didn't leave then, just took it as 'whatever', so the overlapping change didn't mean a lot because they were not committed to the generation teaching post '95.