Excellent find! It's the religious variant of 'having your cake and eating it too'. JW organization writers seem incapable of giving too much thought (or critical thinking) over what they've said elsewhere.
Posts by steve2
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7Interesting WT Deluge Contradiction I just noticed.
by Jofi_Wofo ini was reviewing some of the evidence the wt proposes for their claim of the bible's scientific accuracy, when i came across this interesting assertion.. the mountains rise and fall, and today’s mountains were once under the ocean.
(psalm 104:6, 8) in contrast, several myths say that the mountains were created in their current form by the gods.. https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/science-and-the-bible/.
interesting.
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Watchtower Study March 2020.....Make peace with your brothers
by RULES & REGULATIONS inthe watchtower—study edition | march 2020. .
4 jesus taught us the importance of making peace with a brother who has something against us.
(read matthew 5:23, 24.
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steve2
Make peace not shunning.
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Who make up the new memorial partakers?
by jwfacts inwhen the doctrine regarding 1935 being the close of the calling was done away with in 2007, it was not unexpected to see the number rise.
over the next few years it went from around 8,500 to 10,500. this seemed to indicate that there were a couple of thousand people that may have felt they had the calling all along, but too shy to profess it.
for the 30 year period between the mid 1978 and 2007, parktakers had barely dropped.
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steve2
Only in a "Christian" cult would the "hope" of going to be with Christ in heaven upon death be viewed with such scepticism, scorn and derision (even among ex JWs). By contrast, in mainstream Christianity the "heavenly hope" is commonplace - and generally doesn't invite any head scratching.
We can thank Rutherford for his sniffy take on the 144,000, the residue of which persists well into the eighth decade of his death.
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PIMI relative complains about convention venue.
by joe134cd ini have just got of the phone with a relative complaining about the convention venue.
as far as my relative is concerned wt can do no wrong, so for him to say what he did it must of been bad.
the venue where the convention was held was described to me as a “tin shed with no air conditioning”.
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steve2
Is this in New Zealand?
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FlyingHighNow
by Ex-Witless inhello forum.
my aunt, flyinghighnow, has passed away.
i don't know if you remember her, but she was a long time member.
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WT study 8 December
by road to nowhere inhad to look.
first paragraph mentions that most of were probably born after 1914. most?
i bet the dubs 105 and older can be counted on your fingers..
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steve2
WERE you born after the year 1914? If so, you have lived your entire life during “the last days” of the present system of things. (2 Tim. 3:1)
Paragraph proves that only the stupidest of minds now write for the Watchtowere. And, of course, not one word about the millions who were born after the year 1914 and have since died of very old age.
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Why are the Jehovah's Witness Tennis players allowed to "serve two master"?
by I_love_Jeff injw broadcasting sept 2019 issue commentary.
according to the jw in the sept 2019 episode, the ukrainian soccer player andriy nesmachniy (go to 1:04:14 in the video) "abandoned" his career for jehovah????
he retired at 32 years old, the normal retirement age among soccer players.
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steve2
Look what I've given up for Jehovah! Am I not good and worthy?!
Most of the JWs I know who have 'given up" worldly careers and goals were 'over the hill" and/or on a downward spiral anyway but astutely reframed it publically as giving up worldly pursuits.
One of my acquaintances was a professionally trained opera singer who derived much pleasure in telling anyone who would listen all about what he gave up for "the truth". I was to later learn from a reliable "inside" source that he had not been successful in his application to undergo advanced tuition/training with one of the "masters" because he didn't have what it takes to keep advancing. So he was already on the way out when he made the decision to 'put the kingdom first'. That happens in life - and I feel for anyone in that position.
However, strange - or perhaps not - that he never shared that particular tidbit with listeners - the whole story changes.
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2019-11-25-BOE--Watchtower Wants More Money!
by Atlantis in2019-11-25-boe.
donations in support of kingdom interests worldwidehttps://docdro.id/mqpxklf petra!
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"Get Over It!"
by The Bethelite inthis is what my children tell me... get over the whole jehovah's witness thing!
yes, they tell me they have gotten over the whole thing and they tell me that and i need to also.
my exgirl friend who was raised as a jw also has said the same thing.. my children say they got over it, however they are quick to point out how messed up their lives are now because of no college education and other missed opportunities.
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steve2
Our kids can be our harshest critics and appreciate the least what we have done. You can always hold out the silent hope that one day they will realize if you could just get over it, you would have by now. Anyway, there could be a grain of truth in what they say - but even if there is, getting over something is not a matter of willing it to happen.
My loved ones have occasionally said variations on "get over it" to me but I also have a good sense of my own situation and realize not everyone - even from the vantage of being an exJW - feels the same way as me.
All I can recommend is you graciously thank them for their feedback but also acknowledge to yourself that we are all individuals who have been affected in different ways by our connection to the organization. My view is the more devastating impacts we have witnessed and observed in the organization, the harder it is to "get over it". But over time, we might manage better our expectations of others (drop the wish that they will read your book) and respond in healthier ways to your own pain and suffering.
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What can a therapist really do?
by Thetruthhurts inhi all, i've not read the forums for awhile as i've been trying to move on with my life but i'm back and posting for the first time feeling like i cant get a grip.
so i'm wondering for those of you that have seen a therapist and say that it truly helps, what can be accomplished?
i'm just really skeptical, but starting to feel desperate.
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steve2
Great question.
Here's my answer as a clinical psychologist (and ex-JW):
A well-trained and experienced therapist can teach relevant skills on how to effectively handle distress and regulate your emotions (instead of feeling overwhelmed and hypervigilant all the time), or help you process, better understand and resolve what you've been through, or teach practical, step-wise problem solving.
It depends on what you're immediate needs are and what the therapist offers. In my view, it helps if the therapist has some understanding of the harm caused by high control religious groups but if the therapist has been well trained - especially in the area of trauma - they will be able to help you.
On the other hand, I'd avoid like the plague therapists who simply offer counselling because while it may provide some (short term) relief to talk through your problems unless you learn strategies and new behaviours, "talking things through" is seldom effective in the long term for moving beyond traumatic experiences and finding a way to develop healthy life goals.