Police shoot suspect....................er why?

by ISP 299 Replies latest members politics

  • stevenyc
    stevenyc
    Nope...its an attempt to understand what happened. I think if you want to arrest someone you do it. If you know where they reside ...even better. If you see them leave them leave the house...an ideal opportunity.

    ISP,

    this is a good topic, and one which people will be talking about for many years.

    The reason police don't arrest suspects immediatly is that they are trying to find out information that would allow them to either gain more proof that this person is either going shopping, or going to his mates place to plan the next attack. He was a suspect, not a criminal. He became a criminal the moment he refused to obey the instructions of the police. His whole actions after that moment were more than a little suspicious. People don't do or act what he did.

    The police tried to stop him when he entered the tube station, maybe they could have done it a minute earlier. Who knows?

    When you are trying to gather more information it is sometimes better to have people under survailance.

    What if this ordinary good citizen, of asian decent, was aerested at gunpoint in the street for going shopping? Would the title of this topic be, Police are violating ordinary peoples rights, because they LOOK suspicious........er Why?

    steve

  • Simon
    Simon
    If I had to venture a guess, you appear to be a person who is predisposed to assume that police are racists(?) and thugs? Sure some are I suppose, no group is ever ideal, but I would say that the vast majority are fine chaps who would never dream of doing the things you are presuming.

    Well, various official reports / enquiries have indicated that there is widespread racism within the police force.

    Why are you so predisposed to assume that the police can do no wrong, never make mistakes, never impose their own personal biases and never ever shoot people who have done nothing wrong?

  • Poztate
    Poztate

    ISP..You linked to the newspaper and then drew your own conclusion of what were "the facts" in this case. All I am saying is that I will wait for the facts to come out.

    What you may have overlooked is that they followed the guy from home and basically executed him. Seemingly had no where to go and was cornered. It wasn't that they saw him at the station. If you had come accross a terrorist and you kindly invited him to stop - do you think he would? How many maniacial persons would respond compliantly? So basically you know you are going to kill him...you just got to justify it.

    ISP

    Wow...I am sorry.You got this quote out of a newspaper so it must be TRUTHâ„¢ Wait for awhile and then discuss it.This whole subject is still up in the air and more "facts" will come out.

  • Check_Your_Premises
    Check_Your_Premises

    I read the accounts, on one site and this is what I took from it.

    It sounded like he was challenged to stop and he ran. Not sure why. Maybe they could have arrested him before he got to the subway, but they probably didn't have a good reason. Once he entered the subway, that was probably seen as probable cause to order him to halt. He didn't halt. Not a good idea when bombs are going off and cops are jumpy.

    The account I read had the man being chased as he tried to enter a train. The cops couldn't shoot him from a distance because there were so many folks around. It would be hard to get a clean shot in a subway. Once he got on the train, they were probably afraid that if they didn't put him down he would detonate the bomb, thus killing the occupants. That sure would be a tough call. I am glad I didn't have to make it.

    My take. My paradigm. It sounds plausible to me, from the single news account I read. Maybe others have other facts. Hard to know which account is accurate right now.

    Time will tell. Hopefully the cops acted appropriately. I would hate for one bad cop to make the rest look bad, and make their job harder.

  • ISP
    ISP

    I saw it with my own eyes, says Tube shooting witness

    12:08pm 22nd July 2005

    What is RSS? Witness Mark Whitby, speaking to BBC News 24, reported the man was shot five times at close range after he had jumped on a train.

    The train was standing in the station with its doors open when the Asian man ran on, pursued by three plain clothes officers.

    He tripped and was also pushed to the floor and one of the officers shot him five times. Mr Whitby said the man was dead.

    Mr Whitby added that he was sitting on the Tube train reading his paper as it was stationary with its doors open in Stockwell station.

    He said he heard people shouting "get down, get down!"

    He said; "An Asian guy ran on to the train. As he ran, he was hotly pursued by what I knew to be three plainclothes police officers."

    He said the man tripped and was also pushed to the floor. He said: "One of the police officers was holding a black automatic pistol in his left hand. They held it down to him and unloaded five shots into him. I saw it. He's dead, five shots, he's dead."

    He reported the man did not seem to be carrying a weapon or wearing a rucksack.

    'I saw it with my own eyes'

    When he got up to the ticket hall he was offered counselling by police and Tube staff.

    "I'm totally distraught," he said. "It was no more than five yards away from where I was sitting as I saw it with my own eyes."

    He continued: "As the man got on the train I looked at his face. He looked from left to right, but he basically looked like a cornered rabbit, like a cornered fox.

    "He looked absolutely petrified.

    "He sort of tripped but they were hotly pursuing him and couldn't have been more than two or three feet behind him at this time.

    "He half-tripped, was half-pushed to the floor.

    "The policeman nearest to me had the black automatic pistol in his left hand, he held it down to the guy and unloaded five shots into him.

    "He looked like a Pakistani but he had a baseball cap on, and quite a thickish coat. It was a coat like you would wear in winter, a sort of padded jacket.

    "Maybe he might have had something concealed under there, I don't know.

    "But it looked out of place in the weather we've been having. "He was quite large, big built, quite a sort of chubby guy."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=356718&in_page_id=1770

    Seems they could have made the arrest quite easily.

    ISP

  • Check_Your_Premises
    Check_Your_Premises
    Maybe not though. Maybe the cop did act inappropriately.

    I also have every confidence that if this cop acted inappropriately, he will be held accountable.

    I don't like cops overstepping their authority any more than anybody else. I guess some folks lean one way and some lean another. I always try to give cops the benefit of the doubt.

    I don't assume that cops never do anything wrong. I just try to give them the benefit of the doubt before I think I have the facts. I don't think I have all the facts right now.

  • Check_Your_Premises
    Check_Your_Premises
    Seems they could have made the arrest quite easily



    He only saw part of all that transpired with his own eyes. He saw the end. The reason why this cop didn't arrest the guy is because he made it onto the train. He assumed (a reasonable assumption given the days events, and this mans behaviour) that he was going to blow up the train now that he successfully boarded it.

    He put him down before he could do that.

    So what would you have done when someone you ordered to halt, with a bulky jacket, on a hot day, while the subway system was under attack, successfully boarded a subway train...

    It's easy from the cheap seats.

  • ISP
    ISP

    Tube driver had gun pointed at head

    21:10pm 22nd July 2005

    What is RSS? The driver of the London Underground train involved in the latest terrorist scare was chased by armed police and had a gun held to his head as he tried to escape the scene of today's shooting, union officials have claimed.

    The driver started running along an underground tunnel as passengers were fleeing from Stockwell Tube station following the shooting of a suspect.

    He was followed by police who briefly held a gun to his head, according to officials from the train drivers' union Aslef.

    Look here too...

    Skip gossip links to more articles

    When other drivers heard about the incident they were reluctant to continue working normally, said Steve Grant, the union's London officer.

    He said the incident highlighted the tense atmosphere staff were having to cope with during the present crisis.

    Mr Grant said police had since apologised about the incident.

    So the police nearly got the wrong guy! at least we know this guy was the tube driver!

    ISP

  • Check_Your_Premises
    Check_Your_Premises
    So the police nearly got the wrong guy! at least we know this guy was the tube driver!

    Well this clearly proves that the police acted inappropriately when they shot the other suspect!!!

  • Poztate
    Poztate
    He was followed by police who briefly held a gun to his head, according to officials from the train drivers' union Aslef.

    ISP....Get over it....Having a gun pointed at your head is no big deal.It happened to me on a traffic stop in the good old USA.

    The people stopping you have to worry about their own safety as well as yours.The UK will have to increase security to prevent more attacks.

    The days of the unarmed "bobbys" is coming to an end. Quit worrying...It will get worse

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