Police shoot suspect....................er why?

by ISP 299 Replies latest members politics

  • stevenyc
    stevenyc

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1704443,00.html

    Chris Wells, a 28-year-old company manager, said he was travelling on the Victoria Line towards Vauxhall when he left the train at Stockwell. He saw about 20 police officers, some of them armed, rushing into the station before a man jumped over the barriers with police giving chase.

    He said: "There were at least 20 of them (officers) and they were carrying big black guns. "The next thing I saw was this guy jump over the barriers and the police officers were chasing after him and everyone was just shouting ’get out, get out"’.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4706787.stm

    The incident is being investigated and, like all fatal police shootings, will be scrutinised by the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

    ...

    BBC Home affairs correspondent Margaret Gilmore said officers had challenged a known suspect they had been following.

    "He ran, they followed him. They say they gave him a warning, they then shot him.

    ...

    Another passenger on the train, Anthony Larkin, told BBC News the man appeared to be wearing a "bomb belt with wires coming out". ...

    Londoner Dan Copeland was in the carriage in which the man was shot.

    He told BBC News: "We were sitting for a few minutes on the platform, then we heard shouting from the concourse between the two platforms.

    "Then the man burst in through the door to my right and grabbed hold of the pole and a person by the glass partition near the door, diagonally opposite me.

    "An officer jumped on the door to my left and screamed, 'Everybody out!'

    "People just froze in their seats cowering for a few seconds and then leapt up.

    "As I turned out the door onto the platform, I heard four dull bangs.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4708373.stm

    A police confrontation with a suspected suicide attacker has been anticipated since 11 September and discussions have taken place at senior levels of Scotland Yard to determine the appropriate tactics.

    Concern has also been expressed by the present commissioner and his immediate predecessor that the legal position regarding use of police firearms needs to be urgently reviewed in the light of the suicide threat.

    The police deployment of firearms is governed by a manual published by the Association of Police Officers, last revised in February 2005.

    It is not true to say that police officers must identify themselves or shout a warning when confronting a suspect believed to pose a grave and imminent threat.

    The manual says that that procedure "should be considered" but recognises that the key aim of an operation is to "identify, locate, contain and neutralise" the threat posed.

    In many situations, this would require the suspect to stop moving and put his hands in view.

    'Central body mass'

    That would not necessarily apply when the police are faced with a suspected suicide bomber.

    The aim of opening fire is to stop an imminent threat to life. The most effective means of incapacitating a suspect is to shoot at the central body mass which contains the central nervous system.

    This is what the police mean by "shooting to stop".

    A head shot against a possibly moving target is more difficult to achieve.

    However, the police have taken advice from officers in countries such as Israel and Sri Lanka which have long experience of suicide attacks.

    Their advice is that if a suspect clearly has no intention of surrendering, the armed officer should attempt to aim for the head or lower limbs to prevent a suicide belt being detonated.

    Lethal force

    A former Home Office adviser, Dr Sally Lievesley, points out that suicide bombers represent the nightmare scenario for the police.

    "A suicide bomber can kill four or five times more people than a conventional bomb because they can get so close to their targets, so different precautions and tactics are needed," she said.

    The appropriateness of the tactics deployed at Stockwell and the intelligence on which they were based will now be considered by the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

    Its inquiry may well redefine the ground rules for the use of lethal force to protect Britain against the threat from suicide terrorism.

  • jeanniebeanz
    jeanniebeanz

    These guys get second guessed in their work a lot. Who knows what really happened yet? It's too soon to tell even with many 'eye witnesses' since you can have five different witnesses to an incident and get five different stories.

    It will be interesting to find out over the course of the next few weeks what actually happened and who, if anyone, mucked up.

    I am very thankful that we are not discussing another bombing this afternoon instead of the shooting of a suspected terrorist.

    Jean

  • fleaman uk
    fleaman uk



    This sounds like someone getting completely carried away or a deliberate execution. Either way it is BAD.


    Absolute shit!I notice the People whinging about all this dont do the Tube 5 days a week!

    some People are so stupid,thay had followed him from a KNOWN hangout of ne,er do wells (terrorists!) and dealt with him...lets get all the facts eh.

    lets have some sympathy for ordinary People/potential victims eh.

  • fleaman uk
    fleaman uk

    ...and yes of course the Police in Britain have Guns.

    jesus H.

  • ballistic
    ballistic
    ...and yes of course the Police in Britain have Guns.

    Yes fleaman, but not all the bobbies on the beat carry guns as our US friends might imagine. Its common to see police at airports and borders carrying guns and even sub machine guns around London, but the town I live in has just armed response units who travel in cars. Ordinary police still only carry conventional weapons.

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    There There, nice little terrorist why dont we all stop and have a nice cup of tea - I will put my gun away and you will not detonate that suicide belt will you. There There what a nice little terrorist

  • fleaman uk
    fleaman uk

    Stilla

    Nice to see at least one Person gets it.

  • the_classicist
    the_classicist

    I would think the reason why they waited for him to get to the train was to try to stop him until he became a threat to a large group of people.

    It's highly suspicious for a chubby man to wear an heavy coat in the middle of summer and then run to the underground when the cops are chasing him.

    Yes fleaman, but not all the bobbies on the beat carry guns as our US friends might imagine.

    Try finding a cop in Canada, least of all one that has an automatic rifle.

  • sixsixsixtynine
    sixsixsixtynine
    ISP....Get over it....Having a gun pointed at your head is no big deal.It happened to me on a traffic stop in the good old USA.

    The people stopping you have to worry about their own safety as well as yours.The UK will have to increase security to prevent more attacks.

    The days of the unarmed "bobbys" is coming to an end. Quit worrying...It will get worse



    Yeah, pretty soon a story like this won't be a big deal at all to you guys!

    Over here in the states, we let our cops "shoot first, and ask questions later". Hell, sometimes we don't even bother getting around to asking the questions!

    Why just the other day, the cops here in Austin, TX shot and killed and unarmed teenager. I'm not really sure why, but he was probably on PCP. They say that alot, "We thought he was on PCP".

    Anyway, watch the show "Cops" if you want to see how our boys handle crime.

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  • FMZ
    FMZ

    Depending on which report you want to believe, up to 20 cops were chasing him. He would not stop. Sounds to me like this guy had nothing to lose and knew he was gonna die anyway.

    As for the argument that this guy looked scared and that proves his innocence, bull. Do you think that only innocent people get scared?

    Whether this guy posed a threat or not... his actions were EXTREMELY suspicious, and he acted EXACTLY like a terrorist would. Now, everyone answer this question:

    Would you want to be the cop that went to tell the family of 30 dead people that you could have stopped this guy from blowing up the train, but didn't because you wanted to give this guy the benefit of the doubt?

    FMZ

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