by ISP 299 Replies latest members politics
ISP - I believe in miscarriages of justice. I studied Human Rights law.
I also think its easy to criticise. I dont think police shoot randomly. Maybe I am naieve. Maybe they do just shoot who they feel like. If they are human beings like me they will try and put some some thought process behind it (I hope). I dunno.
You and your team notice a guy from the address exit a head toward in tube station wearing a heavy coat on a hot summer day.
Think I would have arrested him there and then...searched his house...and interviewed him etc. Why would I let someone who may have a bomb get on a tube?
ISP
I wondered how long it would be before do-gooders started blameing and critisizing the police.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8655541/
Another witnesses, Anthony Larkin, told the BBC that the man appeared to have "a bomb belt and wires coming out."
Think I would have arrested him there and then
Arresting him there or on the tube, what do you think would have changed to alter the man's actions of running, or to put himself in to a situation where the police decide they must shoot him?
steve
First of all, my understanding is that the police in London do indeed carry weapons nowadays. I have no issue with that.
Second, all this speculation is just wasted when we certainly don't know all the facts. So easy to sit behind the computer and complain about all the perceived injustice in the world. Unless we were there, we don't really know what happened, now do we?
I will reserve my opinion after all the facts are laid out.
If, in fact, this guy was a terrorist, then I praise the work of the cops. I don't think we would hear anyone complaining then, would we?
Besides that, we are always going to have people spouting off complaining about police brutality etc. Here locally, in Los Angeles, people are bitching left and right about the police after a shootout with a criminal.
The ones complaining are upset because ultimately a police officers bullet killed the guys daughter during the shootout. Upsetting sure.
However, they don't say anything about the #$%^ bad guy who used his 2 year old daughter as a shield from the police, they don't talk about the fact he has been arrested 5 times in the last 10 years, several felony offenses, they don't talk about the fact that he just shot a cop, and they don't talk about the fact that the guy was an illegal alien from South America, and though he was deported once, he came back.
We must look at all the evidence before reaching a conclusion and opinion on the matter.
Arresting him there or on the tube
No at his home or as he left his home. He was followed from his home after all. Why risk letting someone you think is a bomber get to his target?
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ISP
ISP - you tell him to stop because you want to arrest him there and then before he gets near a train. But he leaps the barrier and makes a run for it. You run after him shouting for him to stop.
Isnt that what they were trying to do? Arrest him?
In Britain we have regular cops that don't carry guns, they are in every town and very common, then we have armed police which respond to incidents were a suspect is thought to be carrying a gun and then we have these new police officers that you can see in London at the moment (although every police force has them), they wear special armour and carry guns and are trained to deal with terrorists.
They are highly trained and I doubt very much that they would shoot someone dead without good cause.
ISP,
I understand what you are saying, that it would have been better off to do the business before he went to the tube. The original argument in your thread, as I understand it, is regarding the shoot first, ask later, suggested policy of the police force.
steve
