Police shoot suspect....................er why?

by ISP 299 Replies latest members politics

  • Simon
    Simon

    I know some police people men & women and also have at least one relative who is in the police force. Yes, I have the utmost confidence in the majority of the individuals concerned. I report crime. I have been down the street with a torch assisting them in the middle of the night and would do so again.

    What I do not have confidence in is the legal system and the police force as in the establishment when it is controlled by politicians.

    It's like the WTS - full of many many good people all doing what they can and think is for the best ... and yet the organisation itself does bad.

  • ISP
    ISP
    Final minutes of the innocent man mistaken for a terrorist
    By Daniel McGrory
    IT TOOK 26 minutes for Jean Charles de Menezes to get from his flat in Tulse Hill to the entrance of Stockwell Tube station.

    In that time the 27-year-old electrician did not appear to realise that a team of 30 Scotland Yard officers were following his every move.

    Police were already staking out the redbricked block of flats in Scotia Road after the address had been found in documents left in one of the abandoned rucksacks from the abortive attacks last Thursday.

    There was also partially destroyed evidence that the crop-haired bomber in the sweatshirt with a New York logo on the front, seen in CCTV pictures fleeing Oval station, had recently stayed at the Scotia Road property.

    There are eight separate flats in the block. When Mr Menezes emerged from the communal front door just after 9.30am, the police must have realised from the photographs they carried that he was not one of the four bombers. Even so they decided that he was “a likely candidate” to follow because of his demeanour and colour, so one group set off on foot after him.

    As he waited at a nearby bus stop the reconnaissance team sought urgent instructions on whether to challenge him right away or let him board a bus. They were worried about the dark, bulky, padded jacket he had zipped up on such a muggy morning.

    The decision was taken to let him go, in the hope that he might lead his shadows to at least one of the bombers.

    The bus journey was slow, as on any other Friday morning, but Mr Menezes seemed to be in no hurry. He was heading to Willesden Green to fix an alarm system. When it was obvious that he was getting off at the stop nearest Stockwell Tube station, the team on the bus alerted a three-man team of marksmen to move in.

    As Mr Menezes waited to cross the busy main road, the decision was taken at Scotland Yard that he must not be allowed to get to the platform.

    The marksmen were told: if you think he has explosives under his coat and he fails to heed shouted warnings, then you must shoot to kill.

    As the three plain-clothes officers closed in on Mr Menezes, they say that they screamed their first warning that they were armed police. Their version is that he turned, ran into the station concourse, vaulted the ticket barriers and reached a waiting train before they could catch him. They shot him five times in the head when they believed that he was trying to trigger a bomb.

    His cousin, Alex Alves, claims in one account that Mr Menezes was “playing around with a friend in a game of chase outside the station”.

    The police insist that he was alone during the entire journey.

    Another family member said that he had recently been attacked and robbed in that area by a gang of young white men and thought the plain-clothes officers were muggers.

    By far the most controversial claim comes from a number of witnesses who have cast doubt on police statements that they shouted a warning or identified themselves to the suspect before opening fire.

    Lee Ruston, 32, who was on the platform, said that he did not hear any of the three shout “police” or anything like it. Mr Ruston, a construction company director, said that he saw two of the officers put on their blue baseball caps marked “police” but that the frightened electrician could not have seen that happen because he had his back to the officers and was running with his head down.

    Mr Ruston remembers one of the Scotland Yard team screaming into a radio as they were running. Mr Ruston thought the man that they were chasing “looked Asian” as he tumbled on to a waiting Northern Line train.

    Less than a minute later Mr Menezes was pinned to the floor of the carriage by two men while a third officer fired five shots into the base of his skull.

    Again, Mr Ruston says that no verbal warning was given.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1707480,00.html

    So the police trailed the potential suicide bomber from his home and allowed him to get on a bus, which really makes little sense. Notice also there are witnesses that say no warnings were given.

    ISP

  • kls
    kls

    All i can think of is what a waste of life ,and the poor family

  • upside/down
    upside/down
    he doesnt deserve to die, but sometimes stupidity at the wrong time is fatal.

    Sad and true...

    u/d(of the some days you wished you'd stayed in bed class)

  • katiekitten
    katiekitten
    What I do not have confidence in is the legal system and the police force as in the establishment when it is controlled by politicians.

    I agree with that.

  • Simon
    Simon
    By far the most controversial claim comes from a number of witnesses who have cast doubt on police statements that they shouted a warning or identified themselves to the suspect before opening fire.

    Lee Ruston, 32, who was on the platform, said that he did not hear any of the three shout “police” or anything like it. Mr Ruston, a construction company director, said that he saw two of the officers put on their blue baseball caps marked “police” but that the frightened electrician could not have seen that happen because he had his back to the officers and was running with his head down.

    Now, who do I believe? The police who desperately want to cover their collective asses or independant witnesses?

    They shouted no warning, that is clear.

    They botched the whole thing.

    They conducted a laughable surveilance and followed the wrong person. Great chance for the people they were supposed to be watching get away eh?

    They did not identify themselves as police.

    They murdered him.

    If he was a suicide bomber, apparently having 30 armed police and a 25 minute window does not enable them to stop someone getting on a train.

    The keystone cops have more going for them.

  • katiekitten
    katiekitten

    I feel sorry for the guy. He was really good looking.

    (Katie runs like hell as 30 wild JWD'ers pursue her braindishing their sharpened morals)

  • ISP
    ISP


    Yes simon.......where do we start........?

    1. surveillance governed by paranoia rather than intel ( 'Hey I just saw a non-white wearing a coat...')

    2. no challenge to the guy...allowing him to get on a bus.We already had 2 bus incidents.

    3.they decide to pursue without indentifying who they were etc

    4 they catch up with him...and make no attempt to restrain/apprehend...could he have valuable info?

    5 they put 5 shots in his head...they say it had to be done...but he was ok getting on a bus

    6 Ian Blair afterwards says he was directly linked to the bombings. On what basis? They found 5 amp fuse wire and 2AA batterys on him?

    7 A witness says he saw wires out of his coat...( Who was that guy...sounds like he was on the payroll...got anymore dodgy witnesses?)

    If this had been an asian from yorkshire for example........I am sure we would not have seen a retraction. The family would have complained saying he was nothing to do with it but no one would believe or care. He was a Brazilean on his way to work and had nothing to do with anything. Police have to admit they are wrong.

    In the meantime the real criminals are no where to be seen which does not surprise me. We make a few arrests but god knows if these are anything to do with it...they maybe...but we thought the train driver was part of it also.

    ISP Crap Detector Class

  • katiekitten
    katiekitten

    YES ISP we have all admitted we are wrong.

    I bow down to your superior intuition. I promise to never trust the police again.

    You are so right, I wish I could know things like you do. What is going to make you happy, a written retraction, witnessed by a notary? OR perhaps you just want to carry on letting people know for a few more pages that I was unbelievably naieve for thinking the police might have had a reason for their actions?

    I WAS WRONG, YOU WERE RIGHT. IM VERY VERY SORRY.

    (guys still dead though)

  • ISP
    ISP
    YES ISP we have all admitted we are wrong.

    I ;bow down to your superior intuition. ; I promise to never trust the police again. ;

    You are so right, I wish I could know things like you do. ; What is going to make you happy, a written retraction, witnessed by a notary? ; OR perhaps you just want to carry on letting people know for a few more pages that I was unbelievably naieve for thinking the police might have had a reason for their actions?

    I WAS WRONG, YOU WERE RIGHT. ; IM VERY VERY SORRY

    Hey you are complete master/mistress of the over reaction! Life must be fun!

    ISP

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