ISP your intuition on this incident turned out to be correct but judging from previous experiences with the mass media reporting of recent events I still think it's best to wait a day or two for the true picture to emerge.
This has nothing to do with the WTS mentality, just a day later I can see the police were in grave error as you had perceived. Now they have to explain why they became suspicious of him something that eventually lead to his death.
Police shoot suspect....................er why?
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greendawn
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ISP
I wonder why he ran? It makes no sense...
J
He was being chased by a gang of foreigners (to him)...........what would you do let them catch you? You also have to take what was said at all supportive of the execution with a pinch of salt. Like the guy who said there were wires protruding from his jacket......who the hell was that guy? Was he a ficitious witness? ISP
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jeanniebeanz
What I meant was, did he not understand the language? If I am being chased by a group of people who are shouting at me in police language to stop, I stop!
Believe me, I have been in a very similar situation and I am very glad that I dropped to the ground and froze. The cops chasing me may very well have blown my head off otherwise. There had been a murder and the getaway vehicle had fit the description of mine but they had no description of the murderer.
When I got out of my car and started into the store just hours after the incident, plain clothed officers exploded out of the shadows and at first I ran thinking they were hoodlums. As soon as I heard them shouting at me to 'get down on the ground' I knew they must be cops. I dropped like a stone face down. As frigntening and embarrassing as it was to do so, I am still alive.
So, I am wondering if he didn't understand the language?
I understand your point on taking witnesses claims with a grain of salt which is why I took the 'lets wait and see before passing judgement' approach. To accuse people who waited to know the facts before passing judgement of using 'DubSpeak' is insulting. It is caution, nothing more.
Jean
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kgfreeperson
I think there were at least three responses to this "incident" (I need jgnat's impressive organizational skills!):
•this is a clear example of authority gone off the rails
•this is a clear example of weenie "do gooders" and "bleeding-heart liberals" whinging about the rights of criminals
•this is disturbing and we need more information to know what happened and whether or not it points to an alarming trend in anything.
It also strikes me that the third response can indeed look much like "wait on Jehovah." The difference, of course, is that "we need more information" doesn't really equate to "don't bother your pretty little head about things like this" which "wait on Jehovah" certainly does.
Our "intution" is amazingly similar to our worldview--if we are more concerned about abuse of power, we see that. If we're more concerned about the havoc wreaked by people who cause trouble, we see that. And we remember the times when we're right more than the times that we're wrong.
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ISP
I think there were at least three responses to this "incident" (I need jgnat's impressive organizational skills!):
•this is a clear example of authority gone off the rails
•this is a clear example of weenie "do gooders" and "bleeding-heart liberals" whinging about the rights of criminals
•this is disturbing and we need more information to know what happened and whether or not it points to an alarming trend in anything.No its a case of police tailing someone from his home, catching up with him and putting 5 shots in him. No attempt to over power him and effect an arrest. Thats what it was.
ISP
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stevenyc
No its a case of police tailing someone from his home, catching up with him and putting 5 shots in him. No attempt to over power him and effect an arrest. Thats what it was.
You left out some other important information.
This was a day after Four bombs went off, The premises were under survalence, he refused to stop when the police told him to, he jumpped a turnstile and boarded a tube train. (remember four bombs went off 24hrs before).
The policy for dealing with suiside bombers is to kill them if they wont comply. As I said to you yesterday, if a person is being followed and the police decide that they don't want him to go into the subway but need to make an arrest outside and he bolts it, then YOU as a police officer are not going to take chances.
If this guy didn't know they were the police, didn't understand spoken or written english, had no clue four bombs went off the day before, and got himself shot because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time it is an tragedy. I would not say it is a travesty, given the circumstances. Not yet anyway.
steve
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ISP
This was a day after Four bombs went off, The premises were under survalence, he refused to stop when the police told him to, he jumpped a turnstile and boarded a tube train. (remember ;four bombs went off 24hrs before).
The premises were a block of flats which housed lots of people , maybe over 100. Clear to me he did not realise he was dealing with the police.
The policy for dealing with suiside bombers is to kill them if they wont comply. ;As I said to you yesterday, if a person is being followed and the police decide that they don't want him to go into the subway but need to make an arrest outside and he bolts it, then YOU as a police officer are not going to take chances.
He wasn't a suicide bomber. He could have been arrested as he left the block of flats.
If this guy didn't know they were the police, didn't understand spoken or written english, had no clue four bombs went off the day before, and got himself shot because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time it is an tragedy. I would not say it is a travesty, given the circumstances. Not yet anyway.
He didn't deserve to be executed.
Shortly after the police chased the tube train driver and put a gun to his head. Meanwhile..................the real miscreants are at large and quite clearly the security services have evidently no idea what is going on.
ISP
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stevenyc
ISP,
I'm curious, have you travelled much outside the UK?
steve
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SixofNine
So they killed a brown person, decidedly NOT the terrorist they were after, because of what he MIGHT do (but turns out couldn't, as he had nothing in the way of weapons to do anything with)
Gee, sounds about like the rational and circumstances of going to war with Iraq. :eyesroll:
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sixsixsixtynine
•this is a clear example of authority gone off the rails
You need to have people loudly questioning the authorities everytime something like this happens. Otherwise, you run the risk of the police eventually trampling over everyones rights, the way they're allowed to here in the states.