The Ten Commandments!

by hibiscusfire 367 Replies latest members adult

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  Spook

  Hib,

  First, thank you for engaging this question with responsibility and honor. I acknowledge you for that.

  Second, you requested that I keep my posts shorter. I would point out two things in response to that. Not only do you post large blurbs which aren't even your own material, but the questions we are addressing are not simple. You may not agree, but I assert that any simplification of the scholarship issues is a gap which will allow for fear and desire to create a whole world of error. That said, I will make an effort at concision. But I would point out again my point of culture: If I say "Jesus is good," most people won't disagree with me, and I don't need to say anything else at all. If I say "Yesua Bin Joseph, if he even existed, upheld terrible things." then all of a sudden everyone demands a mountain of evidence.

  I propose that if you agree to post only in your own words that I will try to alway post fewer words than you as we address this issue.

  Finally, again getting at the issue of what I am asking for, I really don't think you see what I am saying. I am not asking for what you believe the evidence is. I am asking for a process. What is the process by which we will evaluate claims?

  If you are having trouble with this, then try and address these next claims from the standpoint of "it may be true or false, let's test and see":

  1. ___ exists.

  2. We should ___.

  3. _____ Is perfect and true.

  4. _____ happened long ago.

  5. Everyone else is wrong about _____.

  So, I ask you, how would we test these claims, no matter what was being claimed? If I claimed "Zorberflux exists. We should muzzledorf. Zalbot is perfect and true. Shazbul happened long ago. Everyone else is wrong about the hummahummah." How would we test and see if that's true?
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  hibiscusfire

  Daunt:

  Saying I make the assertion that a 17 foot man lives in my backyard. Proof of this, would be a picture of this man, or showing this man to the person making the accusation. Making a claim such as, "He lives in my backyard because the book that he gave me told me that this was his ancient burrial ground" isn't proof at all. Saying, "You have to believe and have faith that he exists and you must put your whole soul in it to believe" isn't proof or evidence. If we used this in scientific research or even in day to day life we would be in a terrible situation.

  Can you see gravity?

  Hib
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  funkyderek

  hibiscusfire:

  I asked you:

  Where in "God's laws" is pornography prohibited?

  You answered by telling me that homosexuals are trying to recruit people and modern movies contain explicit images. Somehow you completely avoided attempting to prove your assertion that God's laws prohibit pornography. Please do this. Just post the chapter and verse. If you don't understand the question please say so, and I'll try to dumb it down a little more.
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  Daunt

  You can test gravity by many ways. Finding a loophole around my question when it isn't assumed that the 17 foot man I was reference wasn't an invisible force that can only be tested like gravity. But anyways, Gravity can be tested in many ways. From dropping a bowling ball to calulating the distance from a planet to their sun and measuring the possible gravity there. You're statement is pretty childish Hibs. Please contribute something to these extraordinary claims, rather than make no point.
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  Daunt

  Hibs, I would strongly suggest you answer people's question's directly without using a play on words most of the time. People might actually take you seriously if your message is as pure as you claim.
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  Crumpet

  Daunt - I just wanted to say you argue and reason very well and maturely. I'm impressed.
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  hibiscusfire

  funkyderek:

  Where in "God's laws" is pornography prohibited?

  Ok I know what I said about keeping the posts shorter. This is the shortest I can get sorry...

  First of all the entire bible contains laws on a wide number of issues. Where the meaning of pornography lie you need to break it down.

  Porn:

  The act, viewing, partaking or indulging of unlawful sexual intercourse including adultery .

  Song of Solomon 2:15 says, "Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes."

  One of the most devastating problems that has ensnared many good people is the sin of pornography. Please note that by law (biblical or international) children are to be protected from these sexual acts.

  Many of these same people have become trapped with just a "peek." This one "little fox" led to their downfall. Many, out of curiosity, just went to a site to see what was there. This is one of the devil's tricks to get people ensnared. Satan, is the power behind this attraction to forbidden sexual images. People that are trapped today can tell you there is an evil "drawing" that compels them to return again and again. Many are desiring to be free, but seem hopelessly gripped by this evil desire. We want to share the good news -- there is a way out through Jesus Christ.

  Imagine what it's doing to the future generation- the children

  What Does the Bible Say About.....Pornography?

  God has called the church to be the answer to the problems facing those addicted to pornography. God hates this sin, but He loves the sinner and wants to set them free. Many marriages are being destroyed by this evil. Children's minds are being corrupted!!!

  Proverbs 11:22, "As a jewel of gold in a swine's snout, so is a fair woman which is without discretion."

  1 Peter 3:1-5, "Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands."

  Our children are confused about right and wrong when parents degrade the sanctity of marriage by living together out of wedlock. How can living together cause children to love and honor God when their parents break the laws of God before them because they are lustful?
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  hibiscusfire

  Daunt: You can test gravity by many ways. Finding a loophole around my question when it isn't assumed that the 17 foot man I was reference wasn't an invisible force that can only be tested like gravity. But anyways, Gravity can be tested in many ways. From dropping a bowling ball to calulating the distance from a planet to their sun and measuring the possible gravity there. The 17 foot man could have been invisible (an imaginery friend or monster). The point is you cannot see gravity it daunt but it's there alright. You can't see God but He is there. You can also test the Spirit. It would be interesting if you can explain the magician's act of moving objects with any strings attached. What is moving the objects? Hib.
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  Daunt

  Hibs that's a terrible argument. Gravity can be tested and experimented with. It's just as solid and concrete as seeing anything. Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it's real. And come on... I made the story to suggest that he was actual living material rather than invisible. You totally missed the point of the example.
  
  Saying that you cannot see gravity but it's there then directly going to the correlation that this applies the same thing to God is fundamentally flawed. First like I've said before, you can test and experiment with Gravity and observe what it's doing, you cannot do that with God unless make erroneous assumptions out of nothing. My claim that Himbooboo (The God that has created all and controls all) created yellowstone park (that has the possibility of wipping out all human life on earth) to detonate at his specified time. He knows all and sees all and your insubordinates makes him feel sorry for creating mankind.
  
  The story about Himbooboo is no better and no worse than your God-claim. Prove me wrong Hibs? Prove me wrong.
  
  
  
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  RichieRich

  Wow.

  Daunt and Hibiscus are the new Richie and Hillary!!!