Scholar and Fisherman (page 9)

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Everything is a fantasy to you so why are you here expending much energy in trying to refute or disprove WT doctrine and theology?

Just because you’re irretrievably deluded by fantasies, it doesn’t mean all JWs are.

Fisherman

the sounding of those seven trumpets got underway from 1922 with the Cedar Point, Ohio convention continuing on until 1928 with the Convention in Detroit,

To the sad jealousy of others, the JW are fulfilling Bible prophecy. Take for example “How else will the scriptures be fulfilled when Jesus deliberately fulfilled prophecy.” Oh, the remarkable grasp and understanding of scripture by JW!

Jeffro

Fisherman:

To the sad jealousy of others, the JW are fulfilling Bible prophecy. Take for example “How else will the scriptures be fulfilled when Jesus deliberately fulfilled prophecy.” Oh, the remarkable grasp and understanding of scripture by JW!

Just like every other nutty denomination believes their own nutty interpretations are 'fulfilling prophecy'.

There's no evidence Jesus ever 'fulfilled' any 'prophecies'. What we do know is that the writers who made up details about Jesus' life decades after his death had access to the Old Testament. Such a 'mystery' how they could have come up with 'fulfilments'. 🤦‍♂️

If you think anyone's 'jealous', you really are delusional.

Fisherman

There's no evidence Jesus ever 'fulfilled' any 'prophecies'.

Yes there is.

If you think anyone's 'jealous', you really are delusional.

Doesn’t apply to you being a secular analyst

Jeffro

Fisherman:

Yes there is.

Hmmm... compelling stuff. 🤦‍♂️ Seeing as you've never presented any evidence of anything (despite constantly demanding proof from others), I won't hold my breath.

Doesn’t apply to you being a secular analyst

So who exactly do you imagine it does apply to? People who hold different superstitious beliefs? Why would they care that JWs think JWs are 'fulfilling' JWs' own interpretations of 'prophecies', let alone be 'jealous'? Back in reality, they're holding you in just as much derision as those of us who don't need religious superstitions.

Fisherman

The sort of convincing evidence that you seek can only come directly from God.

But no guarantee what you would conclude from such evidence.

Vidqun

Fisherman and Scholar, this is the type of Watchtower logic which you are clinging to:

According to the book Revelation-Its Grand Climax At Hand!, pp. 162, 164, it is expressly stated that the 42 months of trampling of the temple courtyard should be interpreted literally, spanning from October 1914 to 1918. Officially the Great War raged between July, 28, 1914 to November, 11, 1918. Presumably the 42 months should be fitted somewhere in between these dates. According to their reckoning, the 1260 day preaching of the two witnesses should run concurrently with the 42 months of the trampling. During this period their president, J. F. Rutherford and colleagues, were arrested and jailed for sedition against the state, thus “killing” them as well as their preaching work. In Jehovah’s Witnesses-Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom, p. 70, it is reported: “The clergy-inspired opposition came to a head on May 7, 1918, when the U.S. federal warrants were issued for the arrest of J. F. Rutherford and several of his close associates. By mid-1918, Rutherford and seven associates found themselves in the federal penitentiary in Atlanta, Georgia.”

They would be “resurrected” when they were released and could carry on with their God-ordained work. According to Revelation-Its Grand Climax At Hand! p. 170, this work would be reactivated during the 1919 convention at Cedar Point, Ohio, USA: “Here the recently released president of the Watch Tower Society, J. F. Rutherford stirred conventioners with his talk “Announcing the Kingdom,”… Those of the John class began once again to “prophesy,” or “preach publicly.”

There’s a few problems associated with above interpretation. Although interesting, it can easily be disproved by referencing JW theology:

1) The two anointed prophets, members of the 144000, are to be sealed after the breaking of the sixth seal, a future event (cf. Rev. 6:12-7:3).

2) The chronology doesn’t fit. If the 42 months of the trampling are to run concurrently with the 1260 days of preaching, starting in October 1914, three and a half years from there would bring one to March 1918. Federal warrants for the arrest of Rutherford and company were issued May 7, 1918.

3) According to the general chronology of Revelation the two prophets will be appearing towards the middle of the Tribulation, after the sixth trumpet blast (cf. Rev. 9:12, 13; 11:3-6).

4) Last, but not least, Beast from the abyss (as the United Nations) was created in 1945, after the Second World War had ended (cf. Rev. 11:7; 17:8). Impossible for it to have been involved 1914-1918. Will not work with the League of Nations either. It was created after the First World War.

scholar

Jeffro

ust because you’re irretrievably deluded by fantasies, it doesn’t mean all JWs are.

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How would know as you are not a JW

scholar JW

Jeffro

'scholar':

How would know as you are not a JW

I know that former JWs have expressed gratitude for information I and others have provided. You seem to lack the basic understanding that not everyone thinks the way you do.

Jeffro

Fisherman:

The sort of convincing evidence that you seek can only come directly from God.

Fallacy: begging the question.

Scholar and Fisherman

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