Scholar and Fisherman (page 15)

Fisherman

Ps. 14:1 "The foolish one says in his heart; 'There is no Jehovah'".Are you a foolish one?

To the Jew and to the Psalmist it was axiomatic that God exists. To the fool there is no accountability as if there is no Jehovah. The language of the Bible is poetic and ironic and allusory and literary device such as: “They have shut their eyes” and “now it has been secretly hidden from their eyes. Also, the Bible is written for believers. The language is shop talk and poetic language and literary device. The Bible claims to be the word of God and written not not for the unbelievers —but same as any deposition or testimony or document or evidence, it can be examined by anybody. Conclude what you like and go away if you conclude it is fake. But when interpreting the Bible prophecy or claims it is from the position that it is inspired. When interpreting the Bible though for example when a verse relates to when the Bible says that the earth was flooded it is from the position that the flood was true whether or not the truth of the flood is challenged. If the Bible is approached from the position that the Bible is a fake, end of discussion.

Jeffro

‘scholar’, thanks for continuing to demonstrate your fallacious approach to just about everything. It certainly helps readers to assess who is right.

Jeffro

Fisherman:

To the Jew and to the Psalmist it was axiomatic that God exists. There is no accountability as if there is no Jehovah. The poetic language of the Bible such as: “They have shut their eyes” and “now it has been secretly hidden from their eyes. Also, the Bible is written for believers. The language is shop talk and poetic language and literary device. The Bible claims to be the word of God and written not not for the unbelievers —but same as any deposition or testimony or document or evidence, it can be examined by anybody. Conclude what you like and go away if you conclude it is fake. But when interpreting the Bible prophecy or claims it is from the position that it is inspired. When interpreting the Bible though for example when a verse relates to when the Bible says that the earth was flooded it is from the position that the flood was true whether or not the truth of the flood is challenged. If the Bible is approached from the position that the Bible is a fake, end of discussion.

This long-winded drivel is confirmation bias, asserting that only people who believe everything in the Bible can assess its claims. Asserting that everything in the Bible is true is also a fallacy of composition.

Jorden

But as already stated, even if such a war took place it wouldn’t be evidence of God. And the claim that something after that would be evidence of God is just begging the question anyway.

It seems that you reply without fully reading what you are replying to. I did not say that the war was evidence of God. Here is what I said:

For those that do not believe now, I will tell you that when WW3 breaks out and this current system collapses and as a result the UN is given authority for 42-months, many will certainly start to believe at that time. And for those that don't believe during that time, then you will get your proof that you need to see in order to believe. You will see at the end of the 42-months, and you will believe then.
.[Mark 13:24 “But in those days, following that distress (the 42-months), “’the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ 26 “At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.]
[John 20:29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”]

[1-15-00 WT – Here the apostle John mentions seven kings, representing seven world powers—Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and the Anglo-American dual world power. He also sees “an eighth king” that “springs from the seven.” This eighth king—the last one that John envisions—now represents the United Nations.]

[Revelation Climax – As John soon learns, the time will come when the UN will act with considerable authority.]

[6-15-12 WT – Any power it has comes from its member nations, especially from its key backer, the Anglo-American World Power. But it does receive authority to act as a king to carry out a specific task, one that triggers a chain of events that will change history.]

[Revelation 13:5 And a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies was given it, and authority to act forty-two months was given it. 6 And it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name and his residence, even those residing in heaven. 7 And there was granted it to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them, and authority was given it over every tribe and people and tongue and nation…]

scholar

Jeffro

‘scholar’, thanks for continuing to demonstrate your fallacious approach to just about everything. It certainly helps readers to assess who is right.

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Which is not you!

scholar JW

Jeffro

Jorden:

It seems that you reply without fully reading what you are replying to.

The irony. 🤦‍♂️ In my comment that you quoted I said:

And the claim that something after that would be evidence of God is just begging the question anyway.

There is no basis for your assertions that any of the verses refer to the UN or to anything happening now.

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Which is not you!

Once again ‘scholar’ falls back to the time-honoured ‘nuh-uh’ defence. Compelling stuff. 🤦‍♂️

Fisherman

only people who believe everything in the Bible can assess its claims.

Not what I said. For example, the Bible states a flood occurred, Adam and Eve were created and Bible chronology. Obviously that can be challenged with scientific evidence.

Jeffro

Fisherman:

Not what I said. For example, the Bible states a flood occurred, Adam and Eve were created and Bible chronology. Obviously that can be challenged with scientific evidence.

Backpedaling I see. ‘Adam and Eve’ and the ‘Flood’ (and the ‘Exodus’) are all examples of Bible stories that definitely didn’t occur in reality. There is a fallacy of composition regarding the broader sweeping statement of ‘Bible chronology’, which is accurate for the Neobabylonian period (both of which contradicts JW chronology) but not for the fanciful stories in Genesis.

But you said:

Conclude what you like and go away if you conclude it is fake. … If the Bible is approached from the position that the Bible is a fake, end of discussion.

So despite your attempt (and the repeated fallacy of composition), you did indeed indicate your view that anyone who doesn’t agree with everything in the Bible should ‘go away’ along with a moronic opinion that ‘unbelievers’ can’t discuss the Bible, demonstrating your confirmation bias.

scholar

Jeffro

Backpedaling I see. ‘Adam and Eve’ and the ‘Flood’ (and the ‘Exodus’) are all examples of Bible stories that definitely didn’t occur in reality. There is a fallacy of composition regarding the broader sweeping statement of ‘Bible chronology’, which is accurate for the Neobabylonian period (both of which contradicts JW chronology) but not for the fanciful stories in Genesis

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There is abundant evidence that the NB Period is inaccurate and unreliable for much of it is mythical or fanciful.

Far better to stick to the biblical account and its superior Chronology which enables one to see the fulfilment of prophecy with regard to 1914 CE validated by the events of 607 BCE and the lowing of the seven trumpets and the seven woes being fulfilled after 1914 CE.

scholar JW

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