Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden 207 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Jeffro

  Fisherman:

  Jesus refers to them as real: “ Male and female he created them.” So does the rest of the Bible refers to them as historical and not allegory.

  Aside from the fact that there’s no way of knowing that Jesus said anything attributed to him decades after his death, Jesus also purportedly said that Abraham was up in heaven able to deliver drops of water to people suffering in hell. But you don’t believe that’s literal, and you have no evidence that Jesus wasn’t just referencing elements of a story to make a point. (A point that demonstrates ignorance of various intersex conditions, but a point nonetheless.) And if Jesus did literally believe Adam and Eve were real people, then he was wrong.
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  joey jojo

  The flood story is not widespread. We have 1 biblical flood story and all the rest from around the world are different. Given that pretty much every human settlement of any size have always lived close to rivers/ lakes, it would be strange NOT to have numerous flood legends from all around the place.

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  The simple fact is that all of the universal flood stories are similar or identical to the world wide not local Flood of Noah.

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  Jeffro

  Aside from the fact that there’s no way of knowing that Jesus said anything attributed to him decades after his death, Jesus also purportedly said that Abraham was up in heaven able to deliver drops of water to people suffering in hell. But you don’t believe that’s literal. And if Jesus did literally believe Adam and Eve were real people, then he was wrong.

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  Equally, the said scholar can apply the same line of reasoning to all of your propositions including your claims about Chronology, VAT 4956, Neb's regnal years in the Chronicles etc. as you have no firm position with the exception of your atheism which only leads to scepticism. For sceptics, there is no proof for any proposition.

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  Jeffro

  Jorden:

  For those that do not believe now, I will tell you that when WW3 breaks out and this current system collapses and as a result the UN is given authority for 42-months, many will certainly start to believe at that time.

  Fallacy: appeal to fear, begging the question, non sequitur.

  Even if such a war were to break out, it would not be evidence of God, or that it happened specifically because of ‘prophecies’, though it is plausible that people in positions of authority could deliberately try to influence events to ‘fulfil’ it.
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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  Equally, the said scholar can apply the same line of reasoning to all of your propositions including your claims about Chronology, VAT 4956, Neb's regnal years in the Chronicles etc. as you have no firm position with the exception of your atheism which only leads to scepticism. For sceptics, there is no proof for any proposition.

  Yeah, direct analysis of evidence is just like words in a story attributed to someone decades after their death. 🤦‍♂️ You don’t need to keep demonstrating the extent of your delusion. It’s already obvious. And it sounds like you don’t understand what atheism is too.
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  stan livedeath

  for me--if i had any belief or faith in the bible--which i dont--i would have to believe in all of the creation account as being real. That would have to include the creation in 7 days--because it says so in the bible.

  But i always take the easy way out. Not believing in god, the bible, the resurrection etc makes life so much more simple. try it yourself.
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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  The simple fact is that all of the universal flood stories are similar or identical to the world wide not local Flood of Noah.

  🤦‍♂️ Stories written by people who survive floods contain details about people surviving floods. Amazing. The claim that they are “identical” Is simply a lie though.
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  Anony Mous

  If there was a universal flood and it killed all but 8 people, besides the genetic bottleneck it would’ve created, we would only have 1 flood story. The older flood stories from either other Middle Eastern cultures, let alone indigenous people on different continents would simply not exist.
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  Jeffro

  Jorden:

  You will see at the end of the 42-months, and you will believe then.

  The 42 months already happened in 66-70CE. Christian expectations for what would follow were simply wrong, and they’ve been making up alternatives ever since.
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  Jeffro

  The 42 months already happened in 66-70CE. Christian expectations for what would follow were simply wrong, and they’ve been making up alternatives ever since.

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  Prove it. How can something stated decades later such as the time of writing Revelation as prophecy be now considered to be historical in 66-70 CE?

  scholar JW