by PimoElder 134 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Your Church is not the eschatological church foretold in the Bible
sch: wt just pulled in this week's wt study a good one about the end times, (jerusalem and now)
They fear monger families by playing on the unbelieving mates fates when the early end time christians headed for the hills prior to 70 the year of our lord. leaving the unbelievers behind.
things that wt likes to see in the years to come, breaking up more families over the talking snake tale.
they were going to attempt a removal of 1914, they would have to do it over a long period of time. De-emphasize it, start to make it a minor point, so that it wouldn't be such a shock.
I believe they already are. I think someone checked the study editions and there has only been one real mention of the 1914 doctrine in the last 20 years??
waton
They fear monger families by playing on the unbelieving mates fates when the early end time christians headed for the hills prior to 70 the year of our lord. leaving the unbelievers behind.
things that wt likes to see in the years to come, breaking up more families over the talking snake tale.
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Praise the Lord that we now have since 1914 CE a representative of the Early Church and now a truly Eschatological Church unlike a Church born out of the divorce of an English king circa 1534 AD.
scholar JW
Diogenesister
I believe they already are. I think someone checked the study editions and there has only been one real mention of the 1914 doctrine in the last 20 years??
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Hardly for the Study Bible, recent Watchtowers and the new Bible study aid all affirm 1914!!!
scholar JW
believe they already are.
Absolutely not. 1914 is solidly based for JW. It even rhymes with Nissan 14. Here is a challenge, according to Mathew 1:17, how long is 14 generations?
I have a quote attributed to Nathan Knorr. I'm asking the Ex-JW U-tuber "Wally" to document it for me.
"There are some things I know. I know that Jehovah is God, that Christ is His Son, that he gave his life as a ransom for us, that there is a resurrection. Other things I'm not so certain about. 1914 - I don't know. We have talked about 1914 for a long time. We might be right and I hope we are.
Just found it.
"In 1975, Knorr made a remarkable and candid statement to the Governing Body, which confirmed his growing disillusionment until his death two years later: ["]'"There are some things I know --- I know that Jehovah is God, that Christ Jesus is his Son, that he gave his life as a ransom for us, that there is a resurrection. OTHER THINGS I'M NOT SO CERTAIN ABOUT. 1914 --- I DON'T KNOW. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT 1914 FOR A LONG TIME. WE MAY BE RIGHT AND I HOPE WE ARE."'["] Was this comment directed at his "oracle," Fred Franz, after the disappointing failure of the 1975 prophecy? And yet, not knowing if the date of 1914 was correct or not, Knorr went along with the absolutes taught by the Watch Tower Society about 1914 and everything else: that all their teachings are firmly "based on scripture," "in truth," and agreeing to the disfellowshipping of anyone who questions 1914, or any other constantly changing belief. [Mouthy and how many others?]
"Those whose beliefs were grounded in Scripture, who protected their faith with God's Word, including the words of Jesus, who resisted dogma change by Franz's whims, were condemned as "apostates," "evil servants," and a host of other derogatory adjectives. In doing so Franz and Knorr were faithfully following another practice of J.F. Rutherford." --- THE FOUR PRESIDENTS OF THE WATCH TOWER SOCIETY (JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES), Edmond C. Gruss, Editor, p. 39.
I have a quote attributed to Nathan Knorr.
Hi van,
Part of what you quoted, NHK said. About the Bible, Jesus, etc. He also said that in conversation to different people.
I never heard him say that he doubted 1914. The opposite is true. He expressed that he was convinced about the date.
However, I want to clarify that when he said he knew Jehovah the Bible etc., he did not say he wasn’t sure about 1914 or other beliefs. He only spoke about what he knew were true not about other beliefs being true or not true but on other occasions he expressed that he was convinced about the end of the Gentile Times.
Praise the Lord that we now have since 1914 CE a representative of the Early Church and now a truly Eschatological Church
schjw, are you calling wt inc a truly end time church? a true church ? with errors piled up since 1914 when they proclaimed that they would go to heaven, the world ending? the ancients fiasco in 1925? the "superior authority" mess 1929 ~ 1960 ?
feel sorry for the families that will be laid further astray to add to that 100% failure record including their failed 1914 predictions.
Scholar JW,
No thanks because your Church does not teach or proclaim the Gospel, the Kingdom
FYI, All Christians (pre-millennial) teach the gospel of a literal Kingdom headed by Jesus. Churches call this the Millennium Reign. As a scholar, surely you are aware that the gospel of the kingdom is a strong minority compared to the various gospels taught in the NT.
Gospel of Jesus Christ (or Christ ) – 12 times
Gospel of God – 7 times
Gospel of the kingdom – 4 times
Gospel of peace – 2 times
Gospel of the grace of God – 1 time
Gospel of your salvation – 1 time
Gospel of the uncircumcision – 1 time
Gospel of the circumcision – 1 time
Gospel of his Son – 1 time
During the Church Age (Age of Grace) Christians were to preach the gospel of grace-Jesus-God-salvation. Paull described this as the ministry of reconciliation. He did not preach the gospel of the kingdom... that is for a future time, as it is for us as well.
2 Cor. 5 18-19 - And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Surely, you would agree that JW's do not preach a ministry of grace or reconciliation like Paul. This is because the WT has convinced them that the dispensation of Grace is already over with....too late. Not so. It is still going on.
The Good News of the Kingdom will primarily be preached during the Great Tribulation as the Age of Grace comes to a close and the birth of God's Kingdom will replace the beastly Anti-Christ World rule.
JW's have jumped the gun and used this as an excuse to deny the New Covenant which is clearly "for the forgiveness of sins" (MT. 26: 27-28)
JW's have historically had a problem following simple biblical instructions but continually run ahead of Jesus and just do their own thing.
