How far do we get away from 1914

by PimoElder 110 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Scholar

    unlike a Church born out of the divorce of an English king circa 1534 AD.

    Wasn’t the church born at Pentecost ?

    (asking with a smile on my face😊)

    Cheers,

    Ozzie 🍷

  • scholar
    scholar

    ozziepost

    Wasn’t the church born at Pentecost ?

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    Only the Holy Apostolic Church which was not the Anglican Church I am afraid with a smile on scholar's face.

    scholar JW

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Scholar JW

    The people I’ve met in churches describe themselves as christians who attend an anglican church.

    🙂

  • scholar
    scholar

    ozziepost

    The people I’ve met in churches describe themselves as christians who attend an anglican church.

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    Are you saying that it is only in the Anglican church there are Christians?

    scholar JW

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Scholar

    Are you saying that it is only in the Anglican church there are Christians?

    Now come on!

    the important ‘label’ is to be known as a christian. They happen to attend a particular church but unlike JWs they don’t see themselves in a separate religion (or even the “true christians” ) because of the particular church or denomination they attend.

    let’s return to that then, they see themselves as christians who happen to attend an anglican church.

    better?

    Cheers,

    Ozzie 🍷

  • scholar
    scholar

    ozziepost

    the important ‘label’ is to be known as a christian. They happen to attend a particular church but unlike JWs they don’t see themselves in a separate religion (or even the “true christians” ) because of the particular church or denomination they attend.

    let’s return to that then, they see themselves as christians who happen to attend an anglican church

    -- Your comment is simply too fuzzy. Perhaps you can define what is a Christian or what does it mean to be Christian and how is such presented in the Anglican Church?

    scholar JW

  • scholar
    scholar

    waton

    schjw, are you calling wt inc a truly end time church? a true church ? with errors piled up since 1914 when they proclaimed that they would go to heaven, the world ending? the ancients fiasco in 1925? the "superior authority" mess 1929 ~ 1960 ?

    feel sorry for the families that will be laid further astray to add to that 100% failure record including their failed 1914 predictions-

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    What can be said despite our record of failed predictions is that we have heeded the Lord's admonition to 'Keep on the Watch' unlike Christendom which has failed to recognize or herald God's Kingdom.

    scholar JW

  • scholar
    scholar

    Sea Breeze

    FYI, All Christians (pre-millennial) teach the gospel of a literal Kingdom headed by Jesus. Churches call this the Millennium Reign. As a scholar, surely you are aware that the gospel of the kingdom is a strong minority compared to the various gospels taught in the NT.

    Gospel of Jesus Christ (or Christ ) – 12 times

    Gospel of God – 7 times

    Gospel of the kingdom – 4 times

    Gospel of peace – 2 times

    Gospel of the grace of God – 1 time

    Gospel of your salvation – 1 time

    Gospel of the uncircumcision – 1 time

    Gospel of the circumcision – 1 time

    Gospel of his Son – 1 time

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    With your analysis of the term 'Gospel',, What then is the Gospel?

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    During the Church Age (Age of Grace) Christians were to preach the gospel of grace-Jesus-God-salvation. Paull described this as the ministry of reconciliation. He did not preach the gospel of the kingdom... that is for a future time, as it is for us as well.

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    During the Church Age of the First Century, Christians then living were Christ's Ambassadors who carried out a ministry of reconciliation - 2 Cor.5:18 and preach the Gospel as a message of the reconciliation - 2 Cor. 5:19. The Gospel is a message of reconciliation preached not only in the First Century but also during the Last Days by the new, restored Eschatological Church which now preaches the Gospel' the good news of God's Kingdom by His Winesses.

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    Surely, you would agree that JW's do not preach a ministry of grace or reconciliation like Paul. This is because the WT has convinced them that the dispensation of Grace is already over with....too late. Not so. It is still going on.

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    False, JW's most certainly preach the only Gospel which of course is a message of reconciliation as an expression of God's Grace or undeserved kindness to all men of goodwill.

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    .The Good News of the Kingdom will primarily be preached during the Great Tribulation as the Age of Grace comes to a close and the birth of God's Kingdom will replace the beastly Anti-Christ World rule.

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    It is only Jehovah's Witnesses who are carrying the proclamation of the Gospel- good news to the Kingdom.

    scholar JW

  • waton
    waton
    What can be said despite our record of failed predictions is that we have heeded the Lord's admonition to 'Keep on the Watch'

    wt sch: there is a big difference between being on the watch, and repeatedly aggressively jumping the gun and trying to provoke the deity to fulfill the promise to "bind in heaven what has been bound on earth" (by wt writers) claiming divine guidance on hidden biblical messages. pointing to years, even hours of fulfillment, ( The october 1914 last supper in Brooklyn).

    wt has given The deity a really bad name, using the name that even jesus did not dare utter) by linking, inking it to patently false premises. as Carl Sagan said. " the world has ended, but nobody noticed" well wt has been noted, and found wanting. only

    a full recantation and redo will give wt any legitimacy as the oracle. imho.



  • scholar
    scholar

    waton

    wt sch: there is a big difference between being on the watch, and repeatedly aggressively jumping the gun and trying to provoke the deity to fulfill the promise to "bind in heaven what has been bound on earth" (by wt writers) claiming divine guidance on hidden biblical messages. pointing to years, even hours of fulfillment, ( The october 1914 last supper in Brooklyn

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    Your comment is ridiculous. You are either on the watch or not by being asleep. One cannot accuse JW's of being asleep, drowsy or lazy for as an organization they have obeyed the Master by continuously preaching the Gospel and Keeping on the Watch.

    scholar JW

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