Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch

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  • wannaexit

    If this is not a spof, then I am going to come to the my conclusion that his is a drunk. Unless he is going to share all that bounty with the bethel family.

    When he talks he does slur a bit, now we know why, TopshelfTony likes to imbibe a bit. What a HYPOCRITE.

  • newsheep

    It wouldn't matter if it were booze or almost a thousand dollars worth of candy, when they are constantly begging for money in the name of their god and they do this then there's a problem. It's how they are spending the money that isn't theirs that pisses me off. We just had an elderly couple who gave up everything for this cult come and view our farm house that we are renting out and they too gave their everything and have absolutely nothing yet they still love their cult and invited us to their meetings.

    This needs to posted for all lurkers to see. Better than reading drivel that has nothing to do with trying to get jw's out of their cult.

  • Room 215
    Room 215

    The drinking culture is entrenched in Bethel. When I was there in the mid sixties, there were at least five cases of alcoholism serious enough to warrant rehabilitation. Two of them were women, wives of Bethel "heavies."

  • belogical

    My takeaway from this is the Governing Body are supposed to be under a "vow of poverty". Is $800+ on hard liquor what a "vow of poverty" looks like?

    In the Caleb and Sophia cartoon, Sophia has a little change and really wants ice cream. But she feels guilty and drops it in the contribution box instead of getting ice cream. Is this what the donations being spent on? If children are being ask to self-sacrifice their ice cream money, why can't Tony Morris set an example in self-sacrifice?

    I think too of all the thousands of middle-ages Bethelites that have been laid off after spending decades at Bethel. But it is not a prospect Tony Morris or other Governing Body members face, is it? While former Bethelites struggle to find employment and lodging, Tony is spending hundreds of dollars on booze.

    It reminds me of Judge Rutherford during the Great Depression. He had two Cadillacs, lived in a mansion in San Diego, and had liquor smuggled down from Canada.

    Tony Morris drives a nice car, lives in an upper middle class apartment at the Warwick compound and spends his Sunday morning on a liquor run.

  • Jehalapeno

    The exjw hysteria around this reminds me so much of the leftist hysteria around Russian Collusion.

    So many conclusions being jumped to without a single lick of evidence.

    The only thing this video shows is (1) hypocrisy, which we already knew and have seen from plenty of other sources, and (2) Tony Morris had enough money with him to buy that much at once. Tony Morris, the only member of the GB who had a career at one time and likely has a military pension and is of retirement age to collect social security.

    Ask yourselves, what new information did we gather from this other than the fact that Tony once bought 12 bottles of scotch at once in Jersey?

    With the information we have, is there any rational reason (other than wishful thinking and cognitive bias) to assume he's buying all those bottles for personal consumption?

    Sure, there are a plethora of ways to justify the glee, schadenfreude and salivating at the opportunity to criticize Tight Pants himself. I'm just wondering if it's all worth making the exjw community appear as frothing at the mouth sensationalists to outsiders and JWs that might be starting to doubt.

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    I perceive a study article coming soon on the subject of divine authority. The OS (other sheep) will again be told to just leave it in Jehovah's hands. We have to respect and obey divinely appointed authority.....remember, David did not kill Saul when he had the opportunity. He said in 1 Sam 26:9 "who can stretch forth his hand against the LORD'S anointed, and be guiltless?"

    Carefully selected scriptural references will be proffered such as:

    Don’t let me hear of your suffering for murdering or stealing or making trouble or being a busybody and prying into other people’s affairs. 1 Peter 4: 15

    This should be your ambition: to live a quiet life, minding your own business and doing your own work, just as we told you before. 1 Thess. 4: 11

    The following scriptural references will likely NOT be included:

    Matthew 24:48-51

    Drunkards warned about the return of Christ and His judgment.

    Luke 1:15

    Greatness of John the Baptist linked with his total abstinence.

    Luke 12:45

    Christ warns against being enmeshed in drunken evils.

    Luke 21:34

    Warning against drunkenness and the cares of this life,

    Romans 13:13

    All are admonished to walk honestly, not in rioting and drunkenness.

    Romans 14:21

    Drinking causes a brother to stumble. Importance of example.

    1 Cor. 6:10

    No drunkard shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    1 Cor. 11:25

    The Lord's Supper no place for wine. Word "wine" not even used. Instead all accounts say "the cup" or "fruit of the vine."

    Galatians 5:21

    Revelers in drunkenness shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.

    Ephesians 5:18

    Direct command that exhilaration shall be of the Spirit and not by wine.

    1 Thess. 5:7

    Sobriety enjoined upon the Thessalonians.

    1 Timothy 3:3,8,11-12 Church officers must not drink; neither should their families.

    And the #1 Scriptural Reference that will not appear in the coming article on Divine Authority? Drum Roll .....................

    They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. - Mt. 23:4

  • slimboyfat
    With the information we have, is there any rational reason (other than wishful thinking and cognitive bias) to assume he's buying all those bottles for personal consumption?

    Nothing that proves it’s for personal use, but some reasons for thinking it’s more likely than not. Such as the way he talked about the subject of alcohol when approached.

    Plus, in the wider context, the fact that he is a war veteran who witnessed carnage in Vietnam. He has clearly been affected by these experiences, judging by his public comments, so heavy alcohol consumption would be consistent with that. It doesn’t prove anything, but it would make sense.

    While it’s fair to recognise there are other possibilities, it seems reasonable to conclude the alcohol was likely for person use, or at least for consumption with a few others including his wife. What we do with that conclusion is another matter. How often does he buy that amount? Is that a problem or not? I don’t know. I follow the indications of others who know more about alcohol consumption than I do.

  • lastmanstanding

    I see that Tony Juicehead has his supporters, even here in the Wild West of the internet.

    You can tell by the number of dislikes given to posts that clearly define Tony’s naughty.

    Tony is not just another fella, “juice’n Joe” that stopped by the juice stand on the way home from the factory.

    No, he is a leader of a worldwide religion of millions of zombies who has to maintain a certain divinity in the greymatter of the weak minded.

    And Tony Juicehead made every effort to hide what he was doing, from the long drive past dozens of liquor stores to a remote place, a trench coat and hat for his incognito Sunday drive, a time of day that would find solitude, and not using a minion to do his chore...

    Tony knew well that what he was doing would be viewed as abhorrent. It is abhorrent for a man in his position. I think he found it abhorrent himself, probably he self-loaths. Most alcs do...

    I would have loved to be the one who caught him, oh what joy. However, I am not jealous that I was not the one who caught him, as some may be. LOL

    And although I would not have Cedars as a close friend, and I don’t like some of the things he does and says, I don’t hate him because his presentations draw attention to his site etc. No, more power to him.

    There is higher standard for Tony Juicehead. A standard he placed upon himself. Tony Juicehead does not get a free pass because Watchtower and the GBoobs and the Bible do not condemn liquor outright. That point is moot.

    Tony Juicehead is a ward of Watchtower and whatever money finds its way into his pocket comes from contributing dubs who work.

    Tony Juicehead made every effort to hide what he was doing. This is the standard that Tony Juicehead is held to.

    And if you give a thumbs down to his exposure, then the question begs “Why?”.

  • Jehalapeno
    And if you give a thumbs down to his exposure, then the question begs “Why?”

    I'm pretty sure the thumbs down is not to his "exposure," it's to the biased hysteria that is interwoven into the reaction to this video.

    Without any other context, this is objectively a big nothing burger.

  • lastmanstanding
    And if you give a thumbs down to his exposure, then the question begs “Why?”

    “Without any other context, this is ojbectively a big nothing burger.”

    Me thinks you still no gets...

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