It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened 11530 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Las Malvinas son Argentinas
    Las Malvinas son Argentinas
    Hell, I'm not sure if it's even still up?

    JW Watch Reddit is up but I can't access it because I was never a member. If I am remembering correctly, Producer Bob was the owner who set it up on behalf of JW Watch. Amanda Blackett/Leica Fox is a Cedarite dolt who will contort herself in every possible way if it means protecting Jabba the Hutt and as a mod she was starting shit there, always in his favour. I believe Bob removed her as a mod and then removed herself, leaving it unmoderated. No new members can be added so it is effectively dead.

  • Toblerone5
    Toblerone5

    LMSA thank your for your latest post , on when L.E started on this forum . I always enjoy reading your post ,but that one for me was fascinating. It made me think , I wonder if that's what he did when he was growing up as a JW. Sucking up to elders, scheming is way up to have ''privilege" in is cong. putting down to the elders ,other JW that he could see would maybe get ahead of him . I'm a women so I never paid to much attention ,when I was a JW , about all the hoops a JW man had to jump into to have there "Titles". So I will need hep on this now, (also english is not my first language so hope my post make sense ) it must be not anybody that can be accepted to that Ministerial training school , were he love to Brag about . Right? Unless just being a single ,ministerial ,pioneer "brother" and you just apply to go ,( they must have a form for that?) and that's it your in? Let's not forget ,also ,that when HE went, Watchtower was more picky about who could attended that .

    But ,my experience being a JW ,is that nothing is that easy in that CULT. Especially if your a man and you want to be have some weight in that Org, There is a lot of sucking up or ass kissing to elders ,C.O. , for him ,is foot was already in the door ,sort of speak , since Daddy Evans was already an elder ,it is so much easier for an elders son to climbed the watch. ladder when Daddy is already up there, extra points ,if your Dad is a a manipulator ,bully, and a dictator , which is dad was allegedly ...

    All that to say, no wonder Mister Born In, when he left the JW community , did the next best thing for him , hustle is way to the ex-JW community , by joining this forum ,for example , doing exactly what he was ,by now, very good at , come on the guy had years and years of practice of manipulating people as a JW ! He was used to have attention ,praise ,admiration , in that cult , like the big narcissist he was would give that up . He must have wanted that back ,now in the ex-JW community. He does sound like he had is ELDER cat on when he was arguing and trying to have some expelled ( disfellowship) from this forum Plus it's not like he had anything else to do anyway. No job, to lazy to learn Croatian, the wife was busy talking care of there new baby, no way he was going to help her with that !, couldn't go on a Break , at first he was full of debt , wonder even how he could afford the internet , since that's the only thing he did all day , not to mention streaming and watching videos ...PORN...can Suck Up ,no pun intended , a lot of internet !

    Also , am I right to say that when his father in law attic was being turned into a decent place to live , for FREE by some Belgium contractor ? He was busy having Hissy "intellectual" (or Mental ) Fit on this forum? Instead of HELPING THEM ? Let's see one of his first video where you can see him on youtube as Cedars was in Nov.2013 in the bare attic , when did he join this forum, and started to post and get bullying people here? If my memory is right didn't he even do videos while you can hear in the background people doing construction work? ,


  • Las Malvinas son Argentinas
    Las Malvinas son Argentinas
    I wonder if that's what he did when he was growing up as a JW. Sucking up to elders, scheming is way up to have ''privilege" in is cong. putting down to the elders ,other JW that he could see would maybe get ahead of him

    There used to be a few UK posters who were in the same circuit as him and they described seeking a tall and awkward looking man with a huge nose always going into the CO's tent at the assemblies. He was one of those types who'd put himself forward as the CO's unofficial assistant, fetching coffee and doing other errands.

    This poster called himself "Tony Cain" after a notorious UK CO who had a bad reputation.

    I agree with your premise that he was a climber both within the organisation and outside. I feel that coming from a rigid hierarchical organisation and into a loose association of former JWs who had no leader or leadership, he saw an opportunity for himself to get appointed in the top slot.

    Read the story about him demanding a podium here:

    Lloyd Evans – “Where’s my podium?”

    Also , am I right to say that when his father in law attic was being turned into a decent place to live , for FREE by some Belgium contractor ? He was busy having Hissy "intellectual" (or Mental ) Fit on this forum? Instead of HELPING THEM ?

    Here is the account from Lloyd's book about how Patrick Haeck both paid for their holiday and built their attic space.

    Even so, we knew there was a missing ingredient. We were now on our own, adrift from any real sense of community. Our geographical isolation in a quiet rural village 20 minutes’ drive from the nearest town did not help. Apart from my occasional games of football with some of my fellow villagers, we did not really interact with our neighbors—certainly not with the closeness that we were accustomed to in the Witness fold. So when an ex-JW Facebook friend, whom I had previously only met on Skype, asked whether I wanted to join him and his family for a holiday on the Croatian coast, our rather precarious financial predicament left us with a dilemma. Do we play it safe and stay at home for the next few days to conserve funds, or do we throw caution to the wind by spending what little money we have on a trip to the coast for a holiday with virtual strangers? To this day I still cannot fully explain why, but something told me this was something the three of us needed to do—even if we could not justify it financially. Patrick Haeck was a charismatic Belgian with an infectious smile who was a fan of my work on JWsurvey. Based on our Skype conversations, he seemed the sort of person I could enjoy spending time with—and I felt we needed all the friends we could get. I thus spent the week just before our proposed rendezvous sending out emails to any translation clients who owed us money, pleading with them to pay. But when the day came for us to drive out to meet Patrick at his rented apartment in Pula, our bank account total was still depressingly close to zero. I sent out another flurry of emails, hoping that at least somebody would pay straight up. Finally, two or three payments trickled through on PayPal. We now had just enough money to buy some diapers for Jessica and put some fuel in the tank for the four-hour drive. We threw our things in the car, and off we went! On our arrival in Pula, Patrick came to meet us at a pre-arranged roadside location (the place where he was staying was hard to find) before leading us on to his rented apartment. With him was his wife Belinda, his two daughters and one of their boyfriends, together with another Belgian family of ex?Witnesses including four school-age children. We were warmly greeted and immediately felt at ease in the relaxed vibe of our new friends, who immediately set about preparing a barbecue banquet. Especially noticeable was the hum of children running around carefree and having a good time—something we simply had not experienced since we were last in company with Witnesses. Over fine Belgian beer and grilled barbecue fare we chatted about our shared experience and I learned of how the other couple who were staying nearby, Bjorn and Priskilla, were close to Patrick because he had always looked out for Priskilla, an abuse victim, since his days as an elder.

    We were invited to stay with Patrick’s family. His daughter and her boyfriend even gave up their room and slept on the couch so we could be comfortable. As the vacation went on, we felt more and more cocooned in an atmosphere of unconditional love and friendship. We both noticed how eerie it was that, in the five days we spent with Patrick and his expanded family, whom he jokingly referred to as his “cult,” we never witnessed one dispute or acrimonious outburst— something we were both accustomed to from vacationing with Witness friends and family. Our time with Patrick was precisely what we were in need of: a reminder that we could still enjoy that special sense of community despite no longer being in a cult. We just needed to put forth a little effort to find it.

    It was not long after we returned home that our uplifting vacation experience received something of an encore. Patrick telephoned and asked if it would be agreeable for him and Belinda to come visit us before they headed back to Belgium. They had just dropped their youngest daughter off at Zagreb Airport (which is only an hour from where we live) because she needed to get home more urgently. They wanted to see where we lived, even if it was only for a brief visit. I told them that of course they could come, but I knew before I put the phone down that it would be complicated to entertain our guests. Firstly, despite some small progress, our apartment was still barely habitable. At that stage we were still without a working bathroom. We basically only had a bedroom and a large unfinished space, containing our desks and computers, framed by a bare brick wall and some windows. By now, we were accustomed to such basic conditions, but how would our guests react? Secondly, Dijana’s parents were downstairs and would almost certainly shun our guests if they needed to go down and use the building’s only bathroom. As soon as Patrick and Belinda arrived, we ushered them upstairs and put on a small buffet for them. We showed them around and explained our modest progress since first arriving in 2009. At one point, Patrick went downstairs to use the bathroom. Thankfully, however, there was no awkwardness with Dijana’s parents, who had secluded themselves in their room (I suppose, in their own way, this was their version of showing kindness—by not putting themselves in a position where they would have to be unkind). As hard as Patrick and Belinda tried, it was difficult for them to conceal their shock at our circumstances. Normally very exuberant and talkative, Patrick stared at the walls and ceiling, apparently deep in thought. “I can see you’re shocked. This is pretty basic, but we’re hoping to improve things,” I said, trying to lighten the mood. “I’m not shocked,” he replied. “I’m just trying to think how I can help.

    Shortly after saying this, Patrick excused himself and went outside to his car. He returned with a carry?case full of various tools, all neatly organized and strapped with velcro. “These are yours. Don’t worry, I can easily get a replacement box,” he said. I thanked him for the thoughtful gesture, which went above and beyond my expectations. After all, Dijana and I were happy simply to belong to such a fantastic group of friends after so recently being cut adrift from our Witness community. But I was to learn that Patrick had more help in mind while he had been carefully studying our walls and roof, as would become clear in future Skype and Facebook conversations. Patrick knew that Jessica did not yet have her own bedroom, and he noticed our roof was without insulation with winter approaching. His idea was to return two months later and remedy both those problems himself—which is exactly what he did. To this day, Dijana and I pinch ourselves when we think about it, but I suppose when you have good friends with a willingness to help, this is the sort of magic that can result. Patrick, Belinda, their daughter Oriana and soon-to-be son-in-law Matthias drove across Europe in October 2014 and rolled up on our driveway to begin what they called their “humanitarian mission.” They brought with them a huge trailer, every last square inch of which was crammed with tools and materials, including enough drywall and floor laminate for Jessica’s room, and enough insulated ceiling panels to finish the ceiling for the whole apartment. Though one or two of their friends back in Belgium had kindly contributed toward the materials, the majority was paid for out of their own pockets.

    After Mission HQ had been established downstairs in Dijana’s parents’ part of the house (they had vacated beforehand for a few days —again, to avoid any awkwardness) Patrick and Matthias set to work almost immediately by punching a hole through the wall of the “cave” that would be Jessica’s bedroom window. Within three days of relentless high-intensity work, which continued to as late as 2 or 3 a.m. some nights, Jessica had a new bedroom complete with wallpaper, laminate floor and furnishings from IKEA. The half of the open space in our apartment where we spent most of our time also now had a ceiling with insulation. Not content with all that, Patrick left me enough ceiling panels for me to finish the other side of the apartment and a giddying amount of tools and equipment for future work—the total value of which I dare not estimate. We could never have dreamed of such kindness from our Witness friends or family who were shunning us, which made it even more special. And, perhaps sweetest of all, it was a source of wonder for Dijana’s parents when they returned from self-enforced exile to behold what our “mentally diseased” and supposedly self-absorbed apostate friends had created for their granddaughter Another two months passed, and Dijana, Jessica and I again found ourselves reunited with our “happiness cult”—the Haeck family and friends—this time in Belgium for what would be our first ever Christmas celebration. We were invited to stay for four weeks over Christmas and the New Year, during which time we enjoyed more gratuitous lashings of fun and laughter. The simple joy of going for a drink with friends and making a complete idiot of myself, something I had not been able to do for years, was revisited with Patrick, Matthias and Bjorn as my partners in crime on a night out in Ghent. (The evening climaxed with me being discovered, inebriated, in a compromising situation with a Christmas tree.)

    What stood out to me about that was he freely admitted that after buying diapers and fuel for the trip, they had next to nothing in their bank account. (Similar story to not being able to afford his daughter's haircut). He went to Pula expecting his holiday to be paid for which it was.

    I think he exaggerates his poverty when it suits him. In this case he wanted a free holiday and for his attic to be finished. It was the beginning of a long pattern of grift and relying on the generosity of exJWs for getting what he wanted.

  • Toblerone5
    Toblerone5
    Oh, but he is doing good work was the cry!

    I cry too when someone use the word WORK and Lloyd Evans in the same sentence...
    And yes it is possible to cry when your super Mad...

  • Toblerone5
    Toblerone5
    I believe Bob removed her as a mod



  • Toblerone5
    Toblerone5

    LMSA ,I don't know what I enjoyed reading the most ,Where is my Podium , or the Patrick Haeck one...

    It's a tie ! them both . Thanks !

  • Thisismein1972
    Thisismein1972

    Oh god. Tony Cain. He and his gang came to our congregation (Accrington) and deleted all the elders in our congregation. Instead of improving the congregation, he ripped through it and left a wake of destruction that lasted for years. A lot of active JW's left Accrington when he put his iron fist down.

    Even my mother, who still is an active JW to this day hated every fiber of Tony Cains's being. If anyone can be the devil incarnate, that man is a prime example. Last I heard, he was in Scotland as a CO. Talk about failing upwards. Rumors are Lloyd was very good friends with Tony Cain.

    The very reason I can still remember him clearly is that he left what can only be described as an indelible mark on me and many others.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    We had Tony Cain, can’t say he did anything remarkable here, or at least I never heard about it. Can you say what reason he gave for removing a whole load of elders?

    And Kim you’ll be shocked to hear I never did apologise to LE for my audacity in having a different opinion to him. Maybe he’ll hunt me down yet.

  • KIMSILVIO
    KIMSILVIO
    I'm not sure if it's even still up?

    Nope it got taken down early 2021 👍

  • KIMSILVIO
    KIMSILVIO
    And Kim you’ll be shocked to hear I never did apologise to LE for my audacity in having a different opinion to him. Maybe he’ll hunt me down yet.

    Bahahaha - good 😂😂😂😂

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