It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened 11530 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Las Malvinas son Argentinas
    Las Malvinas son Argentinas
    Sometimes though I think just as simple theories are plausible as well given his nature.

    This is why I read the relevant passages in TRA to see where his mind was and how he interpreted it. Lloyd is a difficult and confrontational person, so I can see Geoffrey taking an instant dislike to him when he showed up with a Bible on his doorstep. It probably was a lot more confrontational than that and him piously counseling him through scripture only made things worse. Not a whole lot of elders would have taken kindly to that kind of intervention.

    Still - I don’t see how that alone would be a reason for Geoffrey to take this to Bethel and furthermore, have them actually adjudicate. There had to be something else he was sure he’d nail Lloyd on, and per Lloyd’s own account, he did. And also per Lloyd’s account, this was shortly before Dijana caught him sexting. So it had nothing to do with that particular account he related in his book.

    The problem with taking all of this at face value is the fact that Lloyd is a known liar who will always paint a rosier picture than reality to make himself seem to be the innocent party.

    I was a JW long enough to know that you don’t get to sin in one congregation, hold onto the info just long enough to transfer to a new congregation, and then confess. Shady action like that is enough for them to conclude you aren’t really repentant and are looking to escape punishment. Chances are they make you go back to the nearby congregation you just fled to face a JC.

    Did his father’s influence get him a Wilmslow JC? Maybe. But it’s risky and would put his father right in the crosshairs of Geoffrey, who had already had Bethel rule in his favour against Lloyd. Or maybe the only JC was in Bramhall and him writing about how he had to flee to Wilmslow to get a fair hearing was to hammer home the fact that he felt he was being unfairly hounded by elders.

    It’s certainly plausible that second JC never happened. There’s just so many holes in this story and when you plug in WT policy, much of it simply doesn’t mesh.


  • lloydevansparody
    lloydevansparody
    I was a JW long enough to know that you don’t get to sin in one congregation, hold onto the info just long enough to transfer to a new congregation, and then confess. Shady action like that is enough for them to conclude you aren’t really repentant and are looking to escape punishment. Chances are they make you go back to the nearby congregation you just fled to face a JC.

    Chances are he might have even avoided a JC for something as simple as sexting especially when and "if" no one else in the congregation was involved. As you said, this looks unrelated to the online porn chatting and something else. Something that "Tom" in Croatia was worried about months or years after. If porneia was involved then any JC would have deliberated after Dijana's decision. If Dijana would have not forgiven him chances were that he could face disfellowshipping. What could a young and unexperienced Dijana do alone in a foreign country? Again as you said there are crucial missing points here and the ones offered in his memoir are contradictory and inconsistent with WT policies.

  • TonusOH
    TonusOH
    LMsA: The problem with taking all of this at face value is the fact that Lloyd is a known liar who will always paint a rosier picture than reality to make himself seem to be the innocent party.

    That is what makes me think that his characterization of Goeffrey is extremely misleading and self-serving. Especially when he is telling the story of how he was a raging horndog and this elder was the one who had to deal with it. It's not that Evans realized he looked pretty creepy and pathetic-- his lack of self-awareness is pretty clear by now. It's that he cannot deal with people who do not offer him unconditional agreement and support. He goes full scorched-earth if he believes that someone might become a problem for him.

    I have no clue what Geoffrey is like. But I have no doubt that he is protrayed in TRA in the worst possible light.

  • ForeverAlone
    ForeverAlone

    Is anyone else getting a malicious site from the link that Vintage posted or is it just me?

    Simon, could you check this out and delete if necessary?


  • Toblerone5
  • Vintage
    Vintage

    Here's what I get at that link. I'm sorry if anyone gets something different, foreveralone.

  • Las Malvinas son Argentinas
    Las Malvinas son Argentinas

    I want to know why he made no mention of Dijana going before the Wilmslow JC to give testimony. After all, she was the one who found the sext that set this all into motion, right?

    In a series of disciplinary meetings before a “judicial committee” comprised of three elders I was asked to go into extremely intimate detail regarding the nature of my online encounters, what precisely these involved, with whom and how often. These hearings were extremely emotional. I recall breaking down in tears on at least one occasion. At the time I did not feel the nature of questioning was overly invasive or inappropriate. I believed I was receiving needed discipline from God’s organization, and I simply had to man up and see it through for the benefit of my marriage. Of course, I now cringe at the thought of sharing such personal matters with men who had no more right to this information than my local postman or storekeeper, but at the time I was convinced it was necessary.

    Uhm, who would also have information related to the nature of these online encounters. The person who discovered it? That's the whole intent of a JC, especially when there are two witnesses. Question them separately and find out if there are any details that don't mesh. Her testimony is a HUGE detail he's leaving out of the Wilmslow JC. He met them 3 times. How many did she go to?

    Lloyd's always so quick to bring his wife into everything and use her as a shield. When the JC happened in Sisak, he spared no detail in saying how upset his wife was and how she refused to have any contact with the elders. This had been his MO on this forum as well. "This is upsetting my wife! You must stop- criticising my article about Candace Conti winning the deed to Patterson. You owe me and my wife an apology!" After the livestream it was all about how it upset her and always you are attacking "us", "we", "our family".

    Yet here is the star witness whose testimony is at the very crux of his sexting scandal at the Wilmslow JC, and not one word about her going to give testimony and how upset she was about going into personal matters. He did manage to relate how emotional it all was and how he was in tears. Hmmm, I think that would also drive Dijana to tears, probably even more so as she thought her husband wasn't attracted to her (his words). They would have quizzed her on their sex life, what the sext said, if she found any others (she did), if she found out who this other person was, and other very probing questions.

    If he had his way, they would have gone straight to Croatia. This was her idea, wasn't it?

    Dijana made it clear that she wanted the intervention of the elders, no matter the outcome. After all, this was not a one-off incident. Dijana had caught me in a similar situation only a few months after we were married, and previous attempts at sorting out my issues had clearly failed.

    Well Lloyd, you told us everything else. Why does her involvement mysteriously end here, and you are the one facing the elders alone? Forgot to put that part in?

    Or was forum poster Raymond Frantz correct in saying there was no Wilmslow JC, only a Bramhall one where you were removed as an elder. If Dijana had been trying to get back to Croatia to help her ailing parents, then she chose the path that would have likely placed the most obstacles in front of them both. This makes more sense if he had already been removed as an elder and privileges taken away. Of course she could have been a die-hard JW and wanted to go by the book, but Lloyd seems to always get what he wants when it concerns them.

    I have no clue what Geoffrey is like. But I have no doubt that he is protrayed in TRA in the worst possible light.

    I feel that the story of Geoffrey and his list of grievances against him was to put forth a particular narrative of oppression and to play the mythical "good elder". Also, it was a handy way to explain this subsequent passage after Dijana found the sext:

    Dijana agreed that Geoffrey was the last person to involve in fixing our problems.

    Well Dijana agreed with him that Geoffrey was a "bad elder", so you see, this is why we had to leave Bramhall so quickly and make preparations for Croatia!

    It's like reading the Hebrew Scriptures. There are sensational stories about Moses parting the Red Sea and Noah and his ark. If you assume these are real figures in history, you need to filter the bullshit out. Therefore: Moses and Aaron led a Hebrew slave revolt and many people died. allegorically accounted for by the Golden Calf and Korah/Dathan massacres. Evans is the same way. Filter the bullshit out, and you'll find only a half-completed story with glaring omissions that manages to raise many more questions than what he had originally intended.

  • Las Malvinas son Argentinas
    Las Malvinas son Argentinas
    Has there been any effort to reach out to any elders who were there recently? I know there was some mystery poster claiming to have insider info but it felt a bit sketchy.

    pr0ner - He’s not really that much of a mystery. Kim Silvio can confirm that she met him and that he’s in Wilmslow. I’d tell you his name and paste the tweets but I am not sure how comfortable he is with his real name being posted here. Lloyd also tweeted about him using his real name and saying that they both went to the Wilmslow KH. I believe he was one of the 12 who received warning letters from Lloyd.

    If he had the real name of “Geoffrey” that would be a start.

    FYI - In a footnote in TRA, Lloyd said that Geoffrey was removed as an elder in 2014. So maybe he’s out.

  • raymond frantz
    raymond frantz

    I did a video with Kim when she visited Wilmslow, I know the full story because I live in Wilmslow.I also know the name of the girl in Bramhall and her family.

    Raymond Frantz=jw updates (=youtube channel)

    https://youtu.be/XGobkBTGJhk

  • KIMSILVIO
    KIMSILVIO
    Kim Silvio can confirm that she met him and that he’s in Wilmslow.

    Confirmed

    If he had the real name of “Geoffrey” that would be a start.

    His name is not Geoffrey

    Edit: sorry I think I misunderstood-Ray Franz is not Geoffrey-I don’t know about the elders name



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