Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!

by Beth Sarim 168 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Anna Marina
    Anna Marina

    Longlivetherenegades - yes there are no dates in the Bible. It is ranges of time with events.

    Our Father, Jehovah created time and He counts time in a awesome manner. The time precision in the Bible makes you gasp when you comprehend it using maths. He uses minimal information and makes you calculate. It is the opposite of brain washing, if you want this info, you have to dig. But if you dig, the easiness of it makes you eyes go wide, for there is such genius. And the accuracy - well if you think looking up at the night sky is quite good, see this! Then say the Bible's not harmonious, dare anyone :)

    Silver bullet for WT - Ez 40:1 19.....14

    No, it is not a date. It is a range of time.

  • Longlivetherenegades
    Longlivetherenegades

    Anna Marina I think this will be the second time I am drawn to this Ezekiel as it relates to 1914.

    I guess something is embedded in there RIGHT?

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    There is so much that happened in that area of the middle east between kingdoms in that specific era with Nebuchadnezzar and his opponents, saying that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE is quite an impossibility from secular knowledge (archaeology) and from information from the bible itself, that the year was indeed 586 BCE.

    The Siege of Jerusalem was a military campaign carried out by Nebuchadnezzar II, king of Babylon, in 597 BC. In 605 BC, he defeated Pharaoh Necho at the Battle of Carchemish, and subsequently invaded Judah. According to the Nebuchadnezzar Chronicle, King Jehoiakim of Judah rebelled against Babylonian rule, but Nebuchadnezzar captured the city and installed Zedekiah as ruler.

    Siege[edit]

    To avoid the destruction of Jerusalem, King Jehoiakim of Judah, in his third year, changed his allegiance from Egypt to Babylon. He paid tribute from the treasury in Jerusalem, some temple artifacts and some of the royal family and nobility as hostages.[1] In 601 BC, during the fourth year of his reign, Nebuchadnezzar unsuccessfully attempted to invade Egypt and was repulsed with heavy losses. The failure led to numerous rebellions among the states of the Levant which owed allegiance to Babylon, including Judah, where King Jehoiakim stopped paying tribute to Nebuchadnezzar[2] and took a pro-Egyptian position.

    Nebuchadnezzar soon dealt with these rebellions. According to the Nebuchadnezzar Chronicle,[3] he laid siege to Jerusalem, which eventually fell on 2 Adar (March 16) 597 BC. The Chronicle states:

    In the seventh year [of Nebuchadnezzar, 598 BC] in the month Chislev [November/December] the king of Babylon assembled his army, and after he had invaded the land of Hatti (Syria/Palestine) he laid siege to the city of Judah. On the second day of the month of Adar [16 March] he conquered the city and took the king [Jeconiah] prisoner. He installed in his place a king [Zedekiah] of his own choice, and after he had received rich tribute, he sent forth to Babylon.[4]

    Jehoiakim died during the siege, possibly on 22 Marcheshvan (December 10) 598 BC,[5] or during the months of Kislev,[6] or Tevet.[7] Nebuchadnezzar pillaged the city and its Temple, and the new king Jeconiah, who was either 8 or 18, and his court and other prominent citizens and craftsmen, and much of the Jewish population of Judah, numbering about 10,000 were deported to Babylon.[8] The deportation occurred prior to Nisan of 597 BC, and dates in the Book of Ezekiel are counted from that event.[9] A biblical text reports, "None remained except the poorest people of the land". Also, taken to Babylon were the treasures and furnishings of the Temple, including golden vessels dedicated by King Solomon (2 Kings 24:13–14).

    The events are described in the Nevi'im and Ketuvim sections of the Tanakh or Hebrew Bible, also known as the Old Testament (2 Kings 24:10–16). The first deportation was the start of the exile and of the Jewish Diaspora.

    Nebuchadnezzar installed Jeconiah's uncle, Zedekiah as puppet-king of Judah, and Jeconiah was compelled to remain in Babylon.[10] The start of Zedekiah's reign has been variously dated within a few weeks before,[11] or after [12][13] the start of Nisan 597 BC.

  • scholar
    scholar

    Anna Marina

    Oh shame about Dan 1:1 being 618BCE. Never mind

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    Thus , it was in 618 BCE, or during the third year of the kingship of Jehoiakim as a vassal of Babylon, than King Nebuchadnezzer came to Jerusalem, a second time to punish the rebellious Jehoiakim...In 618 BCE his 18 year old son Jehoiachin, succeeded him as king. But Jehoiachin's rule lasted only three months and ten days and he surrended to Nebuchadnezzar in 617 BCE- 2 Kings 24:10-15. refer Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy p.32,par5.

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    He ruled for 3-11 years from 628 to 618 BCE you know. That's 10 years. They call it about 11.

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    Jehoiakim reigned for about 11 years from 628-618 BCE. End of story no disunity here

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    Have you heard this talk on spiritual unity?

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    Many times. But where is the unity amongst the apostates and other scholars when they cannot agree as to whether Jerusalem fell in 586 or 587 BCE?

    scholar JW

  • scholar
    scholar

    Anna Marina

    The silver bullet for the apostates and other WT critics is along with the 70 textual corpus texts is Ezekiel 40:1.

    LOL

    scholar JW

  • Anna Marina
    Anna Marina

    Where is the unity Scholar? All except the Watchtower agree that Jerusalem fell in the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar.There's even a high level of agreement that this was also the 11th year of Zedekiah.

    But Watchtower pushes the envelope on this one - they go for both the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar and the 1st year of Nebuchadnezzar. In this they play the most brilliant game with the Battle of Carchemish.

    It is impressive stuff and they get total agreement on the basis that no one understands what the heck they are talking about. As far as they are concerned the pure language is "er um eh?" And this is an expression of unity which they cherish.

  • scholar
    scholar

    Finkelstein

    You have presented an impressive historical summary of events describing the latter days of the Judean monarchy now the problem you have is with all this precise chronological data can you define precisely what years Jerusalem fell? Was it 586 BE the date preferred by scholars or was it 587 BCE the date preferred by Carl Olaf Jonsson?

    scholar JW emeritus

  • Anna Marina
    Anna Marina

    Finkelstein

    and the new king Jeconiah, who was either 8 or 18, and his court and other prominent citizens

    For what it's worth, my guess is Jehoiachin (Jeconiah) was 18 and in 2 Chron it reads 8 becaue the copyist missed off the yod in Hebrew.

  • scholar
    scholar

    Anna Marina

    Where is the unity Scholar? All except the Watchtower agree that Jerusalem fell in the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar.There's even a high level of agreement that this was also the 11th year of Zedekiah

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    Unity is not the problem with the regnal data in the OT for we know what years the reigns began and ended and we know the lengths of those reigns for both the kingdom of Judah and Israel. The data for both Jehoiakim, Jehoiachin and Zedekiah are clearly stated and we have synchronisms for the reign of Nebuchadnezzer so it easy to construct a Chronology for that period of Jewish history and a united approach to Chronology is seen in WT publications going back to the forties when the celebrated WT scholars began their research into Bible Chronology at greater depth. One such important synchronism is found in the events at Carchemish with the beginning of Neb's reign.

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    JW's are experts in Bible Chronology and as Bible Students have been doing Chronology since the time of Pastor Russell and have solved problems for other scholars such as Edwin Thiele who struggled to harmonize the data for the Divided Monarchy still a source of many problems even up today.

    scholar JW emeritus

  • Beth Sarim
    Beth Sarim

    ''The silver bullet for the apostates and other WT critics is along with the 70 textual corpus texts is Ezekiel 40:1.

    LOL''

    The silver bullet to the WT theology on 1914 is the 587-586 BCE destruction of Jerusalem. The 607 BCE date HAS to be upheld to support WT 'doctrine. There is NO possible way around it. You CANNOT deny it. If it does hold out that Jerusalem was felled in 587-586 then....the entire religion falls apart.

    That is why Carl Olof Jonson was kicked-out. He was onto something.

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